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    05-27-2007, 07:51 PM
Lazy horse, weird gate...?

My horse willow has always been stubborn and bucked when she didn't want to go. I can now get her to canter a bit on a certain stretch, but sometimes she wont canter. She will canter with her front legs, but trot with her back. I've asked many people and they said she's definitely doing both and if I crop her then she'l buck, and it's so bouncy that I can't lift my legs to kick!plz help!!
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    05-27-2007, 08:14 PM
First get her to stop bucking.

Figure out why she bucks, there is a reason. Is it a respect issue? Or is she in pain from teeth, saddle, back? Is she tying-up, or colicing? Do her feet hurt?

If it is a respect thing... As in she is just doesn't want to, then I would do some ground work with her. Then, do some circles, and backing up when in the saddle. Any time she bucks she must do something she doesn't want to do like small circles and backing up. If she won't do this from the saddle, then more ground work is needed.

You must become alpha mare, not her. If you tell her to do something, she is to do it. Otherwise it can get dangerous. As in bucking, rearing...

Once you resolve the bucking problem, you will be able to get her to canter. However, from your description, I suspect she has a medical problem. Like, arthritis in her back, or hips, or hocks, or fetlocks... Thus it is painful to canter with the back part. You might want to have a vet take a look at her. There are medications that help with arthritis, and other things. Also is there a chance she has EPM? It can cause problems with the hind end.

Will she canter in a round ring, or on a lunge line, or corral/pasture?

My horse bucked a lot. With the vet's help, I have found out she was colicing as a form of tying-up. When she coliced, she bucked. She also got into the habit of bucking, and she has always like to buck, as well as not being balanced on her front feet which caused back pain. So we are really working on this. She is now pain free, her front feet are shod and balanced, so lots of ground work! And so far.... No bucking!
    05-29-2007, 10:34 AM
No, she definitely CAN canter, and she will, its just that she will put her head down alot and I have to pull it up and that stops her, so its really dificult, but ya she can and will canter but sometimes she will do that trot-canter.
    05-29-2007, 08:26 PM
Sounds like a pain issue.
    05-31-2007, 06:25 PM
UGHH!ppl, its not a pain issue, Iv had her checked out already!its not that, its just she has different gaites, being a walkaloosa pony. Can you please think of sometyhing else, other than pain or illness!?
    05-31-2007, 08:23 PM
Originally Posted by ox-tuff_rider-xo
UGHH!ppl, its not a pain issue, Iv had her checked out already!its not that, its just she has different gaites, being a walkaloosa pony. Can you please think of sometyhing else, other than pain or illness!?
If you want opinions, fine. But when people give their opinion that maybe YOU don't agree with, deal with it. It's what you asked for. Who evaluated your horse? Have you had more then one vet do a full exam? What about dental? Chiro? Farrier?
    06-01-2007, 12:11 AM
Perhaps giving us the whole story/facts would help as we did not know you'd had her checked by a vet. What did they say in regards to your problem? As just from your first post, I to would have said that she was hurting. Maybe it's nothing more that a rider issue and you need to be stronger in asking her to canter or maybe taking her back to the beginning in the arena and re teaching her how to canter.

All in all there is something upsetting her to the point where she does not want to canter even when pressured.
    06-01-2007, 03:02 AM
If she's a pacer she's probably to unbalanced to canter undersaddle, you say she does it on one certain stretch, its probably nice and flat and straight, you need to build up her balance, canter her on the lunge, do lots of circles, halt, backup, riding on hills etc etc to build her balance up.
    06-01-2007, 09:16 AM
No, she is not a pacer, she has never paced in her life. TWH don't pace, they have this sorta walking trot and I have asked if that could be why, and now I know that because of her special breed she is able to do that trot-canter thing and it is not caused by anything but lazieness or just plain not listening. Thank you all for your suggestions. :)
    06-03-2007, 06:01 PM
Ya, thanx for the tips. She was abandoned and possibly abused as a foal, and she was found by a women jogging on the highway with her eye squished from hitting a tree and all alone at the side of the road. She was broken pretty late, and her previous owner did not do a very good job with her. When I first started riding her, she was VERY headshy and being only around 11 yrs old, I would have to have an older person bridle her for me. I eventually got good at it, then with praise and gentleness I got her to allow me to do it without fighting. As for her cantering problems, she can and will canter, just after that really fast bouncy trot before and after cantering, she does the trot-canter. But she is now getting more comfortable cantering and doesnt buck as much. Im proud to say that being only 13, I have done a better job training than the adult who previously attempted.

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