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        05-25-2012, 09:03 PM
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    Yearling
    leading troubles please help

    Every time I put a halter he suddenly decides he isnt going to follow me. I sometimes feel like me leading is acctully like trying to play tug of war except I know im not suppose to pull so I don't.i go behind him and tap him on the hind quartes and he moves but now he figured that if I put a halter on him and even begin to go past his face that means I am going to tap him. When I say tap I mean with the end of a rope halter. And I only tap him. Not hard either. Now when I go behind him we end up turning in circles him to avoid me and me trying to make him move.and even after that he wont move . I call it the halter dance. I am not a trainer by anymeans and I am kinda new to the horse world but is there anyway I can get him to move on my own?
         
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        05-25-2012, 10:14 PM
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    Foal
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    Originally Posted by horsecrazygirl    
    every time I put a halter he suddenly decides he isnt going to follow me. I sometimes feel like me leading is acctully like trying to play tug of war except I know im not suppose to pull so I don't.i go behind him and tap him on the hind quartes and he moves but now he figured that if I put a halter on him and even begin to go past his face that means I am going to tap him. When I say tap I mean with the end of a rope halter. And I only tap him. Not hard either. Now when I go behind him we end up turning in circles him to avoid me and me trying to make him move.and even after that he wont move . I call it the halter dance. I am not a trainer by anymeans and I am kinda new to the horse world but is there anyway I can get him to move on my own?

    How long have you had the horse and what is the history of the horse?
         
        05-25-2012, 10:15 PM
      #3
    Green Broke
    Well your off to a start with the tapping and getting him to circle around you. He just doesn't respect what you have to say. To make him listen you need to upgrade from the tap to a really hard blow with the whip or the end of a 12 foot lead. His booty should go flying around and he should be looking right at you. Send him off and circle him with A LOT of energy for a few lap. End and keep walking like nothing ever happened. Repeat as many times as need, which shouldn't be many and should phase out to none.

    I think the key piece your missing is the " you ARE the boss" not "i want go BE the boss". Light taps won't do much but annoy him. If your going to whack him make it HARD so you make it count!! Next time he will do it the first time instead bullying you.
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        05-25-2012, 10:37 PM
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    YOu dont' have to go to hard blows, yet.

    Try this:

    Put the halter on ( and if you are not using a rope halter, get one and use it for this training). You need a LONG lead llne, like 12 feet. You walk forward with purpose in your step. He will do nothing, and he will hit the end of the line (or what I mean is that all the slack will be taken out) have about 5 feet of line between your hand and the halter. When he hits the end of the line, you say, "Late!" and you take that long tail end of the long lead line and swing it out and around you to "bite" him in his side. He will likely leap either sideways or backwards, right? Dont' care. You keep forward tension on the line, you swing the rope and when he moves, you take a step forward . He'll hit the end of the rope again, you make him move his feet, disallwoing him to take the rope out of your hands. You take a step forward when his feet are moving . If he moves forward with you, then you can walk forward a few step. DO NOT pull the slack out of the line. If he comes forward, there will be slack in the line, do not take it up. Let it float between you.
    HIs job it to keep that slack out of the line by coming forward when he feel the rope pull on him. When he gets stuck, you use that tail end of the line to "unstick" his feet. Don't worry what direction he goes, at first, just unstick his feet, get him to move them and take a forward step and direct his movement forward.

    You stay in front of the horse. YOu do not chase his hindquarters so you don't end up circling. You stay in front. If you need to make him move, you use his movement in any direction to free him up and direct his feet to follow you.
         
        05-25-2012, 10:40 PM
      #5
    Green Broke
    I disagree with moving horse around you, or you going behind him to make him move. What exactly is that teaching him in regards to being led? Nothing.

    How old is this horse, has it had any training at all, and what is its background. Also how old are you, is there anyone around to help you, and how much have you ever been around horses?

    IF this horse has no idea of what you are wanting, that is a whole different ball game from if this horse simply has decided that you can't make it do what you want.

    But quit going behind him, as that is not the way to do this.
         
        05-25-2012, 10:54 PM
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    Green Broke
    Your teaching him to pay attention to you. That walking with you is easier then walking away. That he needs to respect her because she is the one in control. How do you think all natural horsemanship, join up especially for this case, works? Making the horse respect and follow you by teaching him your in control of his feet/direction/speed.

    I don't think its the leading that's the issue honestly, I think there is just no foundation of respect.
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        05-25-2012, 11:10 PM
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    Teaching a horse to lead is foundational to respect. It's one of the first things a horse is taught. The basic idea is "come off the rope pressure". Once the horse knows that, you say, "come off the rope and follow me and keep you distance correctly."
    The way a horse come's off a lead rope is an exact representation of how he /she will come off the rein and the leg; heavy and dragging or light and alert.
         
        05-25-2012, 11:15 PM
      #8
    Green Broke
    I have a feeling the horse knows how to lead and if you or I went out there with confidence and knowledge he would be easy as pie. This horse sounds like he is just being a jerk and testing the limits. She stated she was a new horse owner so I think its doubtful she has a horse who doesn't know how to lead.
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        05-25-2012, 11:27 PM
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    I agree. But what I meant was that just going to smack him a few times won't teach her how to get him to lead correctly.

    A lot of horses know how to lead, but they drag on the line somethin' fierce. I hate that. Cannot abide a horse that won't lead up.
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        05-26-2012, 05:38 PM
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    Yearling
    Jazz is 13 turning 14 this year I am pretty sure. He is a very calm horse and very submissive. I have my neighbor to help me but I am still in school and I am a minor older then 12 but younger then 18. So I do not get to see her all that much. I have been around these horse for about a year and almost a half. He does know what I want him to do and he will move if I tap him. Its just that I don't want to have to tap him everytime I want him to move and if someone walks behind him he will move. And I know that I am not suppose to go behind him but that's the only way I can make him move.



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    Originally Posted by Palomine    
    I disagree with moving horse around you, or you going behind him to make him move. What exactly is that teaching him in regards to being led? Nothing.

    How old is this horse, has it had any training at all, and what is its background. Also how old are you, is there anyone around to help you, and how much have you ever been around horses?

    IF this horse has no idea of what you are wanting, that is a whole different ball game from if this horse simply has decided that you can't make it do what you want.

    But quit going behind him, as that is not the way to do this.
         

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