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post #51 of 57 Old 10-13-2010, 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~ View Post
The horse is obviously stubborn, and not picking up the lead to spite the rider. Right?

Was this the one that got stuck in the mud that MM took pictures of ?
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post #52 of 57 Old 10-13-2010, 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Spyder View Post
Was this the one that got stuck in the mud that MM took pictures of ?
No no. That's the one that wouldn't halt.
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post #53 of 57 Old 10-13-2010, 06:36 PM Thread Starter
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And you actually wonder why I respect smrobs over anyone else? Act a little more childish why don't you, I'm not sure it's quite immature in here enough yet.

I'm done with this thread. Thanks to those who actually gave helpful advice.

I hope God tells her to smash her computer with a sledgehammer.

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post #54 of 57 Old 10-13-2010, 08:58 PM
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I have no interest in riding dressage, nor do I think that all horses need a dressage foundation, a view held by many dressage riders.
VERY VERY UNTRUE. Dressage is simply just good riding to allow the horse to do what is wanted from it...the last I heard that is wanted by every discipline !
I agree with Spyder 100%

I grew up in a VERY WESTERN community, in British Columbia, right smack dab in the center of the Cariboo Chilcoltin - surrounded by WESTERN peopler. Western rules there, where English is very minute in compareson.

Reiners, Barrel Racers, Ropers, Team Penners, Rodeo Fanatics - and guess what....many of them trained in Dressage.

As a matter of fact, one barn I boarded at is still HUGE in Barrel Racing. Everyone who boards there is just as fanatic about the sport as the owner and barn manager is. Once a month, they held a clinic there, that would be crammed packed by Barrel Racing Fanatics....to ride under whichever Dressage Queen they hired to come and give them a weekend clinic.

To then learn from the BM, that many Top Level Barrel Racers take regular Dressage Lessons.

My Farrier, is a BIG TIME Reiner and Roper in my area...guess what, he takes dressage lessons. Yep, there he is in his western gear on his beautiful paint gelding, taking a dressage lesson under riders from the Spanish Riding School when they come to our area every December.

Hmmm, but that can't be eh....because only dressage people believe that all horses need dressage training...not wetsern people.....so I must of been imagining all these western guru's taking dressage lessons on a regular basis.

Yes but, perfect practice does make perfect. If the horse is not doing what you want you're either making it very hard for them to do so (ie ill fitting tack, placing their body or your body wrong, etc..) or you are not asking in a clear way. Because you AND another rider were both not able to get the lead using the same method, I would suggest changing the method. Imbalance or "forcing her to do it" is NEVER a good way to fix things. Put the horse straight on a line (a circle, a staight line, whatever, just keep her haunches right in line with her forehand) and ask for the canter like a normal person. Ie sitting straight, with the horse flexed to the inside so you can see the inside eye and don't move or shove the horse into the transition. It should just go and if it doesn't well then it's hole fixin' time. Any horse, I don't care what discipline, should canter from a small leg aid. You shouldn't have to move it's head and hips on all sorts of interesting lines to get it. Make the horse straight and press the "go" button.

You do have to accept though that the horse can canter on that lead and does it on the lunge without a rider so the problem might be rider imbalance. It would be worth it to self examine slightly and figure out if you are twisting something or leaning a certain way that is making it hard for her to canter on that lead. And the canter leads don't come from the head, otherwise why would I be able to pick up a counter-bent counter-canter in a corner? But life would be a lot easier if just pulling on a rein worked...
BINGO! We have a winner here!

Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~
The horse is obviously stubborn, and not picking up the lead to spite the rider. Right?

Was this the one that got stuck in the mud that MM took pictures of ?
No no. That's the one that wouldn't halt.
OMG, I am laughing so hard.......I can't breathe!

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Wow, I can hardly breathe for laughing.

I don't always agree with some things said on here, but honestly this is pushing my buttons.

MM: Good luck. I have been having the same problem with Rainy, and for me it's been about balancing her. As long as we're both balanced, she'll pick up the right lead. Hope everything goes well, and I hope you'll post pictures or videos or just a thread about the show. Again, good luck.
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Yeah, well I guess my advice is rather pointless now but...
It's all about the rider balancing the horse. I myself have to take canter departures slowly in the ring to make sure my horse is straight, and my body is where it needs to be, or else I cause my horse to pick up the wrong lead. It's hard to admit that I can cause a horse that ALWAYS picks up the right lead to get the wrong one, but I'm sure everyone's done it.

95% of the time, it's the rider, not the horse. Good luck with your pony! :)

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post #57 of 57 Old 10-18-2010, 01:42 AM
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At my barn, another of the rider's has a horse with this same problem - but only the right lead. My trainer has the girl working on being balanced herself, first, and then to work on keeping his right shoulder picked up because he wants to drop it and lean in. He is still learning himself, so he isn't perfect immediately, but he is getting better every ride. She has started using a crop to give him a pop when he ignores her command to lift that shoulder. Hope you're having better luck! :)

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