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    07-05-2010, 11:20 AM
  #1
Foal
Leaning, bending .help

My 6 yr old mare, has a good canter counter clockwise, but the other way, she always leans in and at the trot I am trying to get her to bend, I do figure 8's. Serpintines. Etc. but she has a long neck and likes to be ridden with minimal bit contact or she quickens, she has no medical, health, or pain issues, I hav ruled out all those, any suggestions to help to get her to bend, at the w/t/c , I need to start out slow, she is a quick learner, but I am hoping once she learns to bend her canter will improve, it seems she is un balance, all horses have there good way and not so good way,.... any suggestions for balance issues and some bending....


Thanx :)
     
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    07-05-2010, 12:48 PM
  #2
Weanling
You can try making her walk in a small circle keeping your inside rein tight and when she gives she will feel the pressure reduse and will hopefuly learn to bend in. It worcked on my horse. If that doesnt work you can try using a whip and just place it gently on the side of your horses face but NOT touching her so she will bend in (only if your horse is not afraid of the whip) this may work also.

Good luck! =P
     
    07-07-2010, 09:39 AM
  #3
Foal
I am having the same issue with my new horse. This is our issue with bending.. In an effort to get him to bend I have been doing circle work. Instead of it being a nice curved cirlce he just falls in. So, it ends up looking like a circle cut in half. Does that make any sense?
     
    07-07-2010, 12:15 PM
  #4
Foal
Bah, I have so many suggestions but they are so hard to explain without demonstrating! -flail-

One suggestions for leaning in at the canter is to counter canter, so you start them off on that right lead on a circle to the right and then start doing soft serpentines at the counter maker her counter canter (aka canter on the "wrong" lead). It will force her to balance and pick up her shoulder. Make sure yous start off with soft turns though or she will want to swap leads or fall out of the canter.
     
    07-07-2010, 05:14 PM
  #5
Yearling
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Originally Posted by SummerBreeze    
I am having the same issue with my new horse. This is our issue with bending.. In an effort to get him to bend I have been doing circle work. Instead of it being a nice curved cirlce he just falls in. So, it ends up looking like a circle cut in half. Does that make any sense?
It makes sense to me alright, because I have that exact same issue with Night Heat! When she falls in I try and push her out with my inside leg, but it doesn't always help and I eventually end up pulling her out with my outside hand.
     
    07-07-2010, 06:49 PM
  #6
Trained
Nelson does the same thing, and I would end up doing alot of "bad habit" fixes to attempt to correc the issue, when in the long run I was doing it incorrectly.

For instance, when he would drop that inside shoulder, I would try to pick it back up with my inside rein.

Nelson is really bad, going to the left. Instead of us going around a bend in an arch ) it felt like we were going around at an angle \ - well, after riding with Dorothy Crowell *She's an Olympic Eventer* I found out, it isn't my horse, it is me. The result we are getting, is because he is trying to compensate for my lack of balance...even though it felt like I was balanced, I truely was not centered over him - so in turn, he had to go around like that, to "feel right".

So, what Dorothy had me do to correct it, was to over compensate with my upper body/shoulders by turning them overly much so to the inside. So, if I am going to the left, I want to overly exaggerate my shoulders by turning my upper body to the left as well.

Then, open up my inside rein, and ask with my inside leg, while supporting with my outside rein, to remain on his shoulder to prevent it from popping out.

Here is a video of me riding under Dorothy, maybe it'll help you out? I got some "breif" moments of correct movement, but listen to her, to grasp what to do...don't watch me...lol.

     
    07-08-2010, 10:54 AM
  #7
Weanling
She is leaning in on bad direction due to being unbalanced, so the rider needs to balance her. Probably due in part to being young and part to being ridden crookedly.

1.) Using almost NO tension on inside rein - use outside rein and inside leg. Using inside leg at girth to keep the inside hind leg active, the outside leg will be behind the girth and BLOCK (but NOT press or kick or squeeze) to prevent the hindquarters from coming outside.

2.) The rider must have the ouside rein away from the neck - the reason is to prevent the outside shoulder from popping out. The use a series of 'squeeze then soften' on outside rein to get and keep her on that outside rein.

3.) Until she develops muscle it's easier on the horse if the rider sits on the outside back of the saddle - thus you use YOUR weight to help balance the horse. Once the horse develops the muscle to carry itself in a balanced manner you can start sitting correctly in the middle of the saddle.

4.) Don't stay in canter very long - LOTS of transition trot to canter/ canter to trot (and walk if she knows how) to help develop the muscle.
     
    07-08-2010, 10:54 PM
  #8
Foal
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Originally Posted by Valentina    
She is leaning in on bad direction due to being unbalanced, so the rider needs to balance her. Probably due in part to being young and part to being ridden crookedly.

1.) Using almost NO tension on inside rein - use outside rein and inside leg. Using inside leg at girth to keep the inside hind leg active, the outside leg will be behind the girth and BLOCK (but NOT press or kick or squeeze) to prevent the hindquarters from coming outside.

2.) The rider must have the ouside rein away from the neck - the reason is to prevent the outside shoulder from popping out. The use a series of 'squeeze then soften' on outside rein to get and keep her on that outside rein.

3.) Until she develops muscle it's easier on the horse if the rider sits on the outside back of the saddle - thus you use YOUR weight to help balance the horse. Once the horse develops the muscle to carry itself in a balanced manner you can start sitting correctly in the middle of the saddle.

4.) Don't stay in canter very long - LOTS of transition trot to canter/ canter to trot (and walk if she knows how) to help develop the muscle.
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    07-08-2010, 11:03 PM
  #9
Foal
Your advice is great! Easy to understand. You seem to know what you are talking about. So, I have another question for you. My horse carriers his head high when we are trotting and cantering. I have only had Breeze for a few weeks. I bought him from a man you did not ride him much. When he did it was just trail riding. I don't know how much training he has had. He loves to ride, every day at 7 he is waiting for me:) Anyways, I don't know where to start with trying to improve our form. My last horse was very well trained, so he made it easy to look good. I am excited for the challenge, but I need some direction.
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    07-08-2010, 11:58 PM
  #10
Trained
Tension.

If he is relaxed and happy at the walk, and then drops his back and throws his head up in the air during trot and canter, it could be you as the cause of the problem, ill fitted saddle - there is something going up ontop to cause him to drop his back.

What is your seat doing? What is your body doing?

He is dropping his back to evade something. It is a chain reaction, back, hind end, head, forehand.
     

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