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    03-28-2011, 07:53 AM
  #81
Weanling
That is what I am saying...She said she had left him for 10 hours..So no watching him or having something to free him quickly. Unless she did and worded it wrong..

I would never ever do that to my horse. If she got stuck etc she would freak out and be worse off than she was before.
     
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    03-28-2011, 09:21 AM
  #82
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Well, I live on a VERY busy US Highway where thousands of semi trucks go past every day at 70MPH. Sometimes it takes me several minutes to get out of my own driveway and out onto that highway. The very last thing I need is to have a loose horse running out on it.

So, I teach them all to tie solidly and to tie well. I have 60 horses and they ALL will stand tied for hours including my two stallions. I have several very safe places to tie horses up. I have three oilfield storage tanks that have been made into a grain storage bins (a 400 barrel tank hold 1 1/2 semi-loads of grain and stands 20 feet tall X 12 feet in diameter). I now only use 1 as a grain bin and the other two have been made into tack rooms. They are smooth and have had big horseshoes welded to the outside of them some 7 feet above the ground.

A second horseshoe is welded some 8 feet away. I can run a strong 20 foot nylon rope THROUGH the one horseshoe and tie it off to the second one. A quick release knot allows me to tie a horse to one of the horseshoes, seven feet above the ground and I can quickly untie the horse without getting near it if I have to.

I tie a horse long enough that it can stand comfortably. By having the horseshoe 7 feet above the ground, I can give a horse enough freedom to be comfortable and still not have the rope long enough to have him get in trouble. About as high as his withers seems to work the best.

I never have to worry about the horses I raise and teach to tie, but the spoiled ones I trained for so many years were a different story. Many set back and threw themselves to the ground when they found they could not break their halters. This is the kind of violent reaction you can get when you teach horses that they can break anything they are tied with. It is soooo much better to not spoil them in the first place. I spent a lifetime cleaning up enept people's messes, so I can tell you first hand that doing it right the first time is so important.

I start out tying young ones for short periods of time and ALWAYS put them up when they are standing quietly. After tying one several times for grooming, I leave them alone while I work on a different one but stay where I can keep an eye on all of them. They are most likely too throw a fit when you take other horses away and they are the only one still standing there. So, I make sure they are standing quietly before I put the last one up.

Once a horse has been well taught to stand tied, you can then tie it anywhere, and not have to worry about it. I never give it a thought to tie a trail horse overnight to a tree limb, picket line or trailer and go to bed. I will tie such a horse with enough rope to lay down, eat hay and reach a water bucket that has been set in an old tire. The rope typically comes a foot from the ground. I have also taught a good many horse to 'stake out' on a 20 foot rope tied to a stake. Horses that have been taught to properly give to a rope will learn very quickly to not fight and will learn to step out of the rope. I used to run pack strings and take out hunters in the mountains of Western Colorado. Every trail horse and pack horse was taught to stake out. Other people would send my their horses to tech them to tie and to stake out well.

It all starts with teaching a horse to stand quietly while tied. To me, this is a most important lesson for every horse to learn.
     
    03-28-2011, 09:45 AM
  #83
Showing
Love the oil tank idea Cherie. Brilliant set-up. Although I think I'd be hard pressed to find one here in the middle of corn country lol!

I like you have never had issues with my own as they learn from the time they are weanlings, but have also dealt with several spoiled horses for others that were never expected. I took a colt a couple yrs ago that had been to a cowboy colt starter (normally not a problem) but he just saddled and did everything with him in the middle of the pen, never tied him as his only objective was to get on his back. My every day barn saddle is an old custom Charles Crawley (he sold to Crates years ago) and there is no way I could toss that old heavy thing one armed on a dancing green colt! He was rideable but all of the training basics had been skipped. So of course we started over at the post of knowledge.

I too live near a very busy highway, it's about a 1/2 mile away. It's a major highway that runs cross country so it's always loaded with long haul truckers and a nasty S curve right off of our little country road. I shudder at the thought of the outcome of a loose horse.

As far as the stud who was tied for 10 hrs, I say kudos to you. If that's what it took, I would have absolutely done the same. Any horse that breaks free can be dangerous, a stud even more so. I judged a show once where a young couple had a young stud (imho they had zero business with him to begin with) The stud freaked at the trailer when tied & busted loose on a packed show grounds. Before he was caught he had chewed up a couple geldings & covered several mares. I stopped the class in the pen, had them stay put and joined to help catch him. Once caught all information was exchanged and they were asked to leave the show grounds. Fortunately for other owners they did take care of vet bills and shots to abort the mares he had gotten too....if they had tied his dumb butt up for 10 hours and let him fuss it out the situation would have turned out much differently.
     
    03-28-2011, 10:49 AM
  #84
Yearling
There is so much great input here in this thread. What I found to use for a tie rail is 3 surplus - 10 foot long railroad ties. Each upright got a hole dug and concrete poured to set them in. Then the cross rail make certain it is at least wither high or taller,add gusset plates and bolted securely. After getting that done only one horse here started to pitch fit, wanna know what I did? I told said horse, "you want to pitch a fit, well here goes, I kicked him square in the belly, waved my arms. As soon as he realized I was the "alpha mare" he did back down.
     
    03-28-2011, 03:44 PM
  #85
Weanling
I know so much good input here... it reminds me of the story that I read on the fuglyblog about a world class trainer that tied a horse to a tree to teach 'em and the said horse ended up killing himself and the entire area was completely blood soaked. Good for you candandy49 for kicking said horse you are a winner!
     
    03-28-2011, 05:09 PM
  #86
Trained
When I tie a horse I make sure they are tied solid also. I do not what them getting away. Once they learn they can get loose that is all it takes and it is very very hard to teach them that they can not get loose and to not pull. If they never learn it the first time then they have it and they do not continue to pull in an attempt to get loose.
     
    03-28-2011, 06:48 PM
  #87
Weanling
I prepare and teach my horses to stand tied. The point is that I teach them so that they are happy to be tied and there is absolutely no abuse or kicking or strangling or anything like that to "get them to understand". It is important to tie them to things that are not going to come apart like a gate etc since that could also create terrible injuries. It could be that everyone here that talks about tying is teaching their horse but they are not communicating that. I know people who think teaching a horse to trailer load also involves whipping, bum ropes whatever and in the end you have a horse that won't load or that loads but is a nervous wreck the whole time they are in the trailer. Same thing with tying: if you teach them it is a good place then it will be retained. If you just drag them to a wall and make them "fight it out" then chances are they will not tie reliably either since there may be a time they get tied to something that isn't so strong - now what do you think will happen then. So in conclusion we have to teach/prepare our horse and not just expect them to "understand" when they can't get away. The same thing is true for all aspects of horse development the more we get horses to relax and think the things we want are good the better the horse will be. It really is simple, however, it means that we humans have to learn things and become better ourselves. Maybe that is where the challenge is.
     
    03-28-2011, 06:58 PM
  #88
Started
There's an assumption in the conclusion that people who tied their horses solid have made:

"He never tried to break free again!" doesn't mean he never will (if still alive).

The longer you leave that horse tied, the more chance there is that he'll test it. :) Nothing much else to do, right?
     
    03-28-2011, 07:15 PM
  #89
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by Northern    
There's an assumption in the conclusion that people who tied their horses solid have made:

"He never tried to break free again!" doesn't mean he never will (if still alive).

The longer you leave that horse tied, the more chance there is that he'll test it. :) Nothing much else to do, right?
You are also making the assumption that no matter how well they are trained that they will never test it. All mine are well trained and tie well. They all give very well to pressure they under stand very well about being tied yet they will still test it from time to time. Does not matter how well trained they are they will still at some point test it. If they get loose when they test it they will keep doing it. That is why I tie them solid. If they test it and they do not get loose they are less likely to test it again. If they get loose they are more likely to test it again. B/C they have learned something by testing it.
     
    03-28-2011, 07:31 PM
  #90
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
You are also making the assumption that no matter how well they are trained that they will never test it.
Horses will test IS my point, whether they at first were just tied solid, or whether they were taught to yield to poll pressure before being tied, but:

I was discussing the assumption some made concerning the first scenario; never said or implied that a horse won't test if taught to yield to poll pressure, the *other* way.

Horses will test just about everything, to avoid further confusion such as may have arisen in your mind, reiner, on what I think about it.
     

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