I would do some ground work with him and get him really supple there by makeing him move away from you and off pressure. Than when you get on him lift his shoulder and apply leg pressure kick if you have to tell he gives :) Posted via Mobile Device
Teach him turns on the forehand on the ground. Then translate that to the saddle.
Sideways is too much for him right now. Teach him just to move the haunches over step by step. Giving him too much room infront also lets him run off too much.
From the ground bring the head towards you, use the stirrup to push the haunches away. Use the head over and the stirrup together and he willl "get it". Eventually you want the head straight ahead. From the saddle do the same thing and don't let him just run away forward, or out to the outside with the shoulder. He might get a little mad so be prepared and know when to go forward when/if things get hairy.
Once he has a good grasp of the turn on the forehand, only then start asking for the whole body to go sideways. It is very tough for them to take the whole body sideways all at once, so that's why we teach a turn on the forehand first.
Thanks guys. I needed a reminder to break it down into smaller chunks for him. I will try getting him to just move his hip over for me to start. Maybe put his nose in a corner of the ring giving him less of an out without having to be so much in his mouth. I will spend a little time backing up and making sure he is not over reacting to the the whip so I can be in a position to back up my cues without having to worry about him freaking out. I have only ridden him with the whip once and he was a bit jumpy about it.
It may have been mentioned, but when teaching a turn on the forehand/haunches, keep them to the wall so that they have no room to go. So for a turn on the forehand, make it so that their butt will be facing the wall and vice versa.
Some good stuff here. Lateral work needs forward movement when first teaching it to a horse that doesn't have a clue. It's much easier to have the forward movement, THEN use your leg to cue the horse through "the open door". You can't just ask a horse that HAS no clue, to move away from the pressure laterally from a standstill. The lightbulb does NOT go on, and yep...they will usually back up because they KNOW how to do that at this point in their training.
I had an AQHA gelding that took over 6 months to teach lateral, then side pass. He was simply on the lower end of the learning curve. So any training was done when moving FORWARD. Like trotting into a corner, I would ask for a leg yield with a firmer outside leg...even if it was just for one or two steps of lateral. Then I built upon that consistently through repitition here and there throughout schooling session....until one day, that light bulb came on! He understood what I wanted, and finally understood...the shutting one door, but opening another one for him to go through. I had this horse sidepassing squares etc...and could manipulate his body parts together AND independently in lateral movements at all 3 gaits pretty much, but it took a long time and I was patient and it ALL started with forward movement.
I know what you mean I took me a long time to figure this out but you have to teach them this from the ground first. I personally think any horse should kniow these basics before being asked in the saddle. Just ask on the ground with your hand applying pressure where you wish your leg to be in the future to ask to move. Hope I helped some what :)
We had an "Ahha" moment tonight on the lunge. We had the side reins and I was able to spiral him in and out smoothly instead of it being a jerky, jumpy movement. I think him having more balance in hand might make it easier for him stand up and move off my leg. For now, I will actually stick to simply cruising when I do his under saddle work until he is a bit stronger in his back to be able to stand up. From there, I will do the same spiraling exercises that I did tonight on the lunge.