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post #21 of 42 Old 11-23-2009, 09:28 PM
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Well, you know your horse better than anybody. It's possible that the leg cue was just misused on her in the past, to the point of being an irritation to her. I'm just making suggestions based on the original post, and my experience with horses that don't like having leg applied. In any event, I hope you get it all figured out.

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post #22 of 42 Old 11-24-2009, 04:40 PM Thread Starter
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You are probably right. She probably is anticipating a kick.

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post #23 of 42 Old 11-24-2009, 06:08 PM
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Yeah, I can see why you'd want to. Reversing the process just works better for me, I guess. I'm sure they both work equally well (in 13yrs of riding and training, I've never had mine fail). I think it's more a style difference than anything else. For the record, I would, contrary to what Kayty seems to think, never leave an issue like bucking unexamined. I just want to wait to deal with it until it's fairly likely that's it's no longer an issue. Anyway, it's always good to hear how other people train their horses, because where I live, pretty much everyone just wants to abuse their horse until it's a mindless drone. It's nice when I hear from people who want a thinking horse. Even if our methods were completely different, that would still be something we both value.
Ah ok, no I get what you mean now. By your previous posts I had the understanding that you were avoiding using leg all together in order to bypass the problem. Obvisouly that's not the case, my appologies
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post #24 of 42 Old 11-28-2009, 05:57 PM Thread Starter
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Ugh! I'm so confused! :(

So I've been working with... *cough* The horse from hell... *ahem* Cricket...

*sigh*

She just about threw me today.. And the last ride (about 3 days ago). She has big bucks. And she's getting better at them. This time I didn't even use leg pressure! I kissed to het at that spot just as a reminder, and she did a bronco (where they rear up in the front then buck; only she did that twice in one row). She's starting to do this more and more. I make it a point not to let her get away with it. I'll usually kick her and make her go back and try again. This time I hoppped off quickly, smacked her on the butt (yes I know that was dangerous) and made her run to get the energy out. Sure enough she ran and bucked and galloped and had a good ol' time.

But what can I possibly do now? It's almost guaranteed that she will buck in that same spot (yeah, same spot).

My mother is a bit.. Irritated with me because I told her that Cricket would be suitable for her lesson string. And that's another weird thing.. She's good for the students. I personaly think that it is because the students "tell" Cricket what to do, then don't follow through and she gets what she wants. That's my guess.

I'm so fed up rigt now. What can I do? How can I "cure" bucking?

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post #25 of 42 Old 11-28-2009, 06:38 PM
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I think you need to go back and see how she really feels about the cinch/pressure. Go back and do the saddling process as if she had never been saddled. If she shows any tension about the cinch do approach and retreat with putting the pressure on and taking it away. I would suggest free lunging her and see what she does....the fact that she bucked after you got off makes me think she was never allowed to accept the cinch....cinching a horse up is a claustrophobic thing. Before you ride each and every time I'd suggest you jump her over something...if a horse is going to buck, they'll do it after a jump because they feel the cinch really well when they jump. If you can get a video that would help as well.
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post #26 of 42 Old 11-28-2009, 07:48 PM
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Huh? I don't remember saying any of this...



I actually don't think the horse has aproblem with forward - She mentioned that walk/trot and trot/canter transitions are fine - It is just maintaining the canter which is a problem. My horse had this exact problem - He was too heavy to canter comfortably - When he lost the weight the mental block remained. By using a system of escalating pressure (which is the same as you described, except I did use my leg) and not taking the leg off is he objected, he is now light as a feather.

I don't agree with taking leg out all together - It is one of our main communication tools. If she won't accept leg contact while cantering, it will be very hard to teach lateral direction, flying changes, etc further down the line. Leg is something that horses NEED to know - Again it is a basis to communication. Once she is accepting the leg, THEN I would work on refining my cue back to seat - But I wouldn't cut out an important step.

I agree, I would never take out complete leg. It IS our main way of communicating with our horse(s). We can use it for speed, turns, ect. Leg pressure makes everything easier.

Have you gotten your saddle professionally checked, could Cricket be sore? Just an idea, has she been spooked there, I know Benson got spooked at one part of the arena and it took us ages to get him to comfortably canter there again. Hope this helps and I really hope you can sort out whats going on.

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Go back and do the saddling process as if she had never been saddled.
Umm.. She has been saddled. Otherwise I wouldn't be riding her!

The bucking is always in one spot at one time. No, it's not her cinch. Her saddle fits well, and she's been ridden enough to know what a saddle is.

It just can't be the saddle Something else..

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post #28 of 42 Old 11-28-2009, 09:23 PM Thread Starter
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Have you gotten your saddle professionally checked, could Cricket be sore? Just an idea, has she been spooked there, I know Benson got spooked at one part of the arena and it took us ages to get him to comfortably canter there again. Hope this helps and I really hope you can sort out whats going on.
Yeah, I checked. Saddle seems to fit particularily good actually. I checked if her back was sore as well and she showed no signs.

It's always in one spot of the ring. THIS is what is confusing me

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Then don't ask her to canter in that spot. If she's cantering and she approaches that spot, before she can buck do a circle or make a transition, something to interrupt that pattern.
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post #30 of 42 Old 11-28-2009, 10:16 PM Thread Starter
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I can't just not go in one area because she dosen't like to. She'll then be getting her way :)

But I'll try getting her mind off it I guess...

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