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    02-05-2007, 11:31 AM
  #11
JC
Foal
Thanks everybody for the tips. Good fortune over the weekend. I received Clinton Andersons training videos for ground work for respect and control. I figured out what I was doing wrong. I am standing in the wrong position to get the hook up. I got it now and PS he was working a 12 year old mare so I think this work is okay for my horse he is 13 and he is very strong. He did hook up with me and he actually fell asleep in my hands when I was doing the flexing exercises with his head. I will just work him slowly with the head flexing and eventually get him to flex better and better over time and then I will transfer it to the saddle. His problem is that he can flex to my knee but when he wants his way he is strong and can pull his head out of my grip. He is incredibly strong. But like Clinton says, if you do the round pen work, all the exercises for desensitizing to spooky objects and the other exercises for respect and control your problems in the saddle will diminish greatly so that is what I am doing. It takes patience but in the end you have a great partner that trusts and respects you so instead of chomping at the bit to ride on the trail I think I will go back to beginning and establish the kind of relationship I need to have with my horse in spending the needed amount of time it takes to partner with him.
     
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    03-08-2007, 11:24 PM
  #12
Foal
Let's see who can solve these problems!

I have just gotten turned on to Clinton Anderson, and I LOVE his techniques. Very sound and they work! I have Gaining Respect and Control on the Ground, series one, two, and three, and Round Pen Made Easy, and Riding with Confidence series one, two and three. I have easily watched the Gaining Respect videos 4 times each, and have been working with a trainer who employes Clinton's techniques. Even though I've watched the videos so many times, the trainer still sees little things I am doing incorrectly that make a HUGE difference in my horse's response. If you have someone who could work with you, it would be well worth it. My horse doesn't have any issues, but he is new to me, and I was recently hurt badly on a horse I've since sold and am gaining my confidence back. (I've had horses for 30 years and rode WILD THINGS, but this time it really shook me up!)
     
    03-21-2007, 08:15 AM
  #13
Foal
This is not abnormal for a horse from a riding school to bolt............bolting is a horses way of getting away from the bit.
The constant tugging from numerous riders has made this horse very hard on the mouth and very wary of anyone who get on his back.

PLEASE FOR YOU OWN SAFETY.............get professional help.....this is not a game this horse weighs way more than you and if he wants to do anything he will.....he has no respect for you...you are at the bottom of his pecking order...your horse needs major training and you also need to learn how to handle him.....to many things anyone can tell you........you must be shown and he must be taught how to respect everyone again, not just you.

Conserned horse lover.
     
    03-23-2007, 03:37 PM
  #14
Started
What kind of bit are you using on him?
     
    04-13-2007, 02:06 AM
  #15
WLD
Foal
If you can afford it a trainer would be of great help for you, if not find people who know more than you and I am sure that most of them will help you out. Do not give up, just get help

Join up -- term created by Monte Roberts

While watching a wild mustang herd in Neveda, A young colt was acting up and causing problems in the herd. The Alpha mare chased him out of the herd, where she kept her eyes on him, the colt know better than to try and come back into the herd as long as the Alpha mare was keeping a constant eye on him, For quite a period of time he was left alone outside the comfort and safety of the herd enviroment. After a day or so, the mare figured the colt had been punished enough and so turned her back or side to the colt and did not look at him. The colt slowly made it's way back to the mare and the herd and corrected his behavior. Paraphased from Monty Roberts Book the Man who listens to horses.

It is the way a horse says, "ok, you are my leader, I am going to trust you, listen to you for my safety"

At least twice during a training session I do this, I leave him or her at a stand still watching me. I turn my back and wait for him to come up to me, when they have come to this point they always come up too you.

It works, but that is not to say if they get spooked on the trail that they will not bolt, it takes time and a lot of wet saddle blankets for a horse to always look to you for it's safety.

What you might try to stop the bolting is train the horse to stop when it is frightened.

That way on the trail it may get frightened and jump a little, but not run off.

And now for the bad news, If I cannot get lateral flextion on a horse than I consider that horse unsafe to ride. A one rein stop is the one thing that can possibly save your life. Get that down before mounting you horse.
     
    06-28-2007, 12:14 AM
  #16
Foal
JC"S thick necked older stubborn horse.

I think you made the right move, buying the Clinton Anderson vidios . Keep watching them, and better still, go see him in person.
You don't learn this training overnight. I have been studying Clinton Anderson, Linda and Pat Parelli, and several new one's. Be sure to use the roap halter in the round pen. Use the one Clinton sells,
You can order it on www.clintonanderson.com. I use them and the horse truely, cannot pull against you as hard. You have many years of stubborn behavior, to work through ,with this horse. The first thing you have to ask yourself is, is he worth it to me ?
If he is , then dig in. I personally love it when my horses challange me. Im stubborn that way. Hope it works out for you.
     
    06-28-2007, 06:53 PM
  #17
Weanling
Hello JC, I am answering your question with the fact in mind that you have been riding for 30+ years....I am not questioning this fact!
By now you will have realised that a horse is just a horse, an intelligent animal nonetheless but still a horse and will also know that the life of a horse is governed by pleasure and pain....eg if it is pleasureable they will be keen to repeat that action again and if it is painful in any way they will be keen to avoid the action in any way. Now my definition of pain is quite large when it comes to horses, firstly you have physical and fear which everyone whether they know it or not has witnessed and experienced....but I do find when I talk to people that they overlook boredom and confidence pain which in my opinion run hand in hand.
Picture this.....forever and an age you have done nothing but walk along the same handful of trails day in day out with differing riders, some too heavy and some you barely know are there, some that yank on your mouth and some that let the bit hang in your mouth which IMO are the worst because you have no direction and coupled with no push from behind.....well you are starting to wonder who is actually in charge....and so you see that you are mostly in the back or middle of the line and the horse in front of you seems to know where to go so you start taking your leadership from whoever is in front of you because whoever is on top of you is definetly not a leader and you have no confidence in them, so you rely on the horse in front of you to lead you in the right direction as by now you have learn't to ignore the bumbling riders on your back and when they pat you at the end of the day you don't understand there ramblings about how quiet a horse you are.....because you have become a beast of burden and no longer think any more because you know out on the trail all you have to do is follow the horse in front of you in order to get back home and well who needs confidence when you never lead the way.....and mentally you have left the building because who needs to think when all you have to do is follow the tail in front of you.........then one day this lovely person takes you away and your new home is nice and one day you go out with this person riding you and there is another horse and rider and they take off away from you (which IMO I would have been furios about!) and all of a sudden that horse that was safe because you could follow it has gone and you are left to think which is something you have shut down and in hand has gone your confidence and all of a sudden you are alone and you start to panic because who's taking care of you because you have learn't previously that riders don't know how to take care of you so your 100 yr old mind kicks in because you are terrified and you do what you would when scared and run like the wind.....what you don't realise is that you are running from the fear in your mind that no-one is going to take care of you and you have no confidence in yourself so you know you can't save yourself.........

I think that you should look at his past in order to rectify his future!
He needs confidence and trust....firstly in you and then for you to teach him that he can be a big boy and then you may just find that that tight neck may start to loosen as his tension and worry disapear and then you will be able to acheive proper flexion.

This is just my opinion and I am not putting you down JC, all I am saying is empathise with your boy because it sounds to me that he is frightened with his new world.

I just thought that I would add that I too have spent many years attempting to rehablilitate horses and know how difficult that it is, not that I think your boy has been abused.....but what I am getting at is that the will to survive is extemely strong but the will to fly from fear or pain in any form is much stronger.
     
    06-28-2007, 10:26 PM
  #18
WLD
Foal
Please remember that a horse learns nothing from the pressure. The horse learns from the release.
     
    06-28-2007, 10:57 PM
  #19
Foal
Reply to WLD

Your absolutely right WLD. It really is about people training people and people training themlelves what to do the help the horse understand. You reward the horse, by releasing the pressure at just the right time. The pressure can be your pressance in the pasture, not just a halter on his head. That's why I encourage people to go to Seminars, you learn every time you go. The tools are important too. I hope JC will let us know in a few weeks how it is going.
     

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