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post #1 of 8 Old 07-19-2008, 12:33 AM Thread Starter
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little worried...

Okay, please tell me what you think about this:

I use a loose tie down on my horse to control his head tossing. He can still move his head around alot but I am not in danger of him hittig me with his head, because he would toss it HIGH. Also when we got him the owners "failed" to tell us boo did not go right and I had a fractured knee so could only do groundwork, when I was finnally able to get on we discovered his probelm. My trainer suggested a temporary loose tie down to get his head tossing down to a minuim and help him go right. Soo..it will eventually come off and we continue to work with him alot, and I do want the tie down off soon. But it is wrong to use it now? I am not sure.
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post #2 of 8 Old 07-19-2008, 01:00 AM
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I'd find out if there is a reason for the head tossing before using the tie down. Does it have to do with any soreness? Bad saddle fitting? Bad bit/bridle fitting?

Have the teeth been recently checked?

Is it your riding? Are you sending mixed messages to the horse? Or is it just attitude?

I think tie downs are maybe useful in some situations but some people use them as a band aid without really knowing what the issue is.
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It was his attitude that caused it, he saw it as a way out of working and attempted it every chance he could. + he hadn't been ridden for a long time before we bought it and had developed alot of naughty bad habits. :roll:
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Are you 100% sure though?

Horses will act out because it's the only way they can tell us they are hurting or uncomfortable. Of course they'll do it when they want to get out of work. But always rule out medical stuff before attitude.

When was the last time the teeth were looked at?

Something to think about.
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It was his attitude that caused it, he saw it as a way out of working and attempted it every chance he could. + he hadn't been ridden for a long time before we bought it and had developed alot of naughty bad habits. :roll:
'Attitude' has to come from somewhere, especially when the horse shows it in behaviour like this which is unpleasant to him too. If he's not in pain from one of the above mentioned causes now, you can bet he was when he picked up that behaviour. If it caused the person to get off & quit riding him, it has also become a learned evasive behaviour.
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I agree with loosie in that this may have become a learned behavior (ruling out physical problems first such as teeth or back problems or tack fit). Does he do this at all gaits or just at the trot or lope?

I would start by trying to isolate the problem by lunging him for a bit then one by one introduce his tack. Start with just the bridle then the saddle and lastly someone in the saddle (but your horse being worked by the person lunging not the rider).

I don't know what bit you are using but would start with a snaffle in any case. Unless you are doing advanced work or showing with your horse, a snaffle should be all he needs for general riding. Too often we use stronger bits and other artificial aids in the place of good training and that leads to behavioral problems.

In addition, and after all the physical and tack problems have been eliminated, I would only work your horse at a walk. Let him become comfortable and confident in you. Be light with your hands. At first let him wonder around the arena at his own pace and direction - just be the passenger. Little by little (and this does not have to be the same day) give him some direction. Let him build confidence. As you move to a different gait don't be surprised that he reverts. Just let him get comfortable and confident. He'll get there for you.

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post #7 of 8 Old 07-19-2008, 09:04 PM Thread Starter
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We changed saddles once because the saddle didn't fit, we changed bits because he didn't respond, had his teeth checked and floated, he got dewormed and got his shots along with a health check so yes, I am sure it was attitude from lack of training from his old owner.
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I agree with loosie in that this may have become a learned behavior (ruling out physical problems first such as teeth or back problems or tack fit). Does he do this at all gaits or just at the trot or lope?

I would start by trying to isolate the problem by lunging him for a bit then one by one introduce his tack. Start with just the bridle then the saddle and lastly someone in the saddle (but your horse being worked by the person lunging not the rider).

I don't know what bit you are using but would start with a snaffle in any case. Unless you are doing advanced work or showing with your horse, a snaffle should be all he needs for general riding. Too often we use stronger bits and other artificial aids in the place of good training and that leads to behavioral problems.

In addition, and after all the physical and tack problems have been eliminated, I would only work your horse at a walk. Let him become comfortable and confident in you. Be light with your hands. At first let him wonder around the arena at his own pace and direction - just be the passenger. Little by little (and this does not have to be the same day) give him some direction. Let him build confidence. As you move to a different gait don't be surprised that he reverts. Just let him get comfortable and confident. He'll get there for you.
he does it all gaits and we do use a snaffle. I agree with you and will have to do what you are saying when the tie-down comes off otherwise it will be a complete disaster,lol. Yeah I trust him and trust you guy's opinion alot. Thanks!
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