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post #11 of 31 Old 03-13-2013, 07:25 PM
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It sounds like a pain issue to me. You owe it to your horse to at least give him a complete check up, have his saddle fit checked, have the chiro go over him and just an overall health check. If you can not provide your horse at least a chance to show why he is behaving this way, then I think you need to rethink horse ownership period.

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post #12 of 31 Old 03-13-2013, 07:34 PM
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Give him to someone that can either trainer him or put him in training. If you can't place him, put him down.
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post #13 of 31 Old 03-13-2013, 08:07 PM
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I know how to deal with a horse like this because there are years of experience under my belt, years of sour, spoiled horses. All I am going to say is that you are ill equipped to deal with this horse and his behaviour has come about because he has learned there is little consequence. Find a reputable trainer to spend a few hours with the horse and you and the horse. It may cost a few hundred dollars but think of it as an investment. Until you learn what you need to know, the next horse will turn out the same way.
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post #14 of 31 Old 03-13-2013, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Saddlebag View Post
I know how to deal with a horse like this because there are years of experience under my belt, years of sour, spoiled horses. All I am going to say is that you are ill equipped to deal with this horse and his behaviour has come about because he has learned there is little consequence. Find a reputable trainer to spend a few hours with the horse and you and the horse. It may cost a few hundred dollars but think of it as an investment. Until you learn what you need to know, the next horse will turn out the same way.
I will agree with most of this. I think it will take much more than a few hours. This sucker needs his ass kicked. That would also cost more than a few hundred dollars. A horse that is threatening to bite the face has some issues that needs to be promptly and severely dealt with.

If the OP can't afford a trainer, she needs to give him to someone that can deal with or put him down are the only options I see.
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post #15 of 31 Old 03-14-2013, 07:34 AM
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Some of you are being quite harsh. I don't like the idea of putting him down as a first choice but it could be the best choice. Try and find someone who would take him, letting them know everything he has done and will probably attempt again. She stated she is going have a lamenes exam done but doesn't really want to spend that money... can you blame her? I still feel the horse that attacked me isn't even worth the bullet I wish I could have used on him. Harsh? Maybe. I train horses and there are some I come across and a few I've owned that are better off being humanely euthanized as to no longer be a danger to us or themselves. Is this horse one of them? Not one person on this forum knows unless they've dealt with him.

My advice is to ask advice from some trainers in your area, explain the situation. IMO there are way to many horses out there already that are safe and sane that need good homes but if you can find someone that wants to take on the risk (that you may or may NOT have caused), then great.. if not, explore the other options and do a favor to the rest of the horse world, the other people at your barn, yourself, and the horse.

Your next horse I advise you to choose with the help of a trainer, safe and sane, and take some lessons. Maybe conside taking riding and horsemanship lessons BEFORE you purchase your next one. You could even ask to shadow a trainer and learn from them..

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post #16 of 31 Old 03-14-2013, 08:14 AM
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I agree whole heartedly with AriatChick; and the others to a large degree. If you are new to horses, this one is probably a bit much for you at the moment. But,don’t take what people are telling you as nastiness or something, though some may come across as harsh. I guess what I'd say is just remember a few things. 1- no horse is worth getting your face bitten off for, or worse, 2- if you are into horses for the long haul, you will have plenty of them over the years, get rid of this one and get a nice quiet old codger to learn from, 3- find someone to learn from. If you cant afford it offer to work for them in return for them teaching you, surely there's a horse trainer about who will teach you in return for shovelling **** and doing other jobs for them, and 4- remember life is a learning process, each horse you deal with over the years will teach you a great deal if you are willing to listen to them so don’t get down and depressed if people here are telling you not to work with this horse. They are just concerned for your safety.
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post #17 of 31 Old 03-14-2013, 08:20 AM
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Hold on guys. The OP says that s(he) worked on reprimanding the mouthy bad behaviour on the ground form the day the horse arrived. You are all assuming that OP is a novice and was doing an inadequate job at this point, thus leading to the current situation.

We don't know this is the case - let's ask some questions and get some more information about what type of training has been used up to now. Also we need to know if this horse has already seen the vet, saddle fitter etc.

There HAVE been threads on this forum that end with people sadly advising that a horse is better euthanised than moved on, and there HAVE been instances where people agree that there can be something wrong with a horses mental state.

I agree that a full work-up by a good equine vet is the absolute must next step, but I don't want to jump on the bandwagon of condemning the OP who came here for advice.

Get up, get going, seize the day. Enjoy the sunshine, the rain, cloudy days, snowstorms, and thunder. Getting on your horse is always worth the effort.
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post #18 of 31 Old 03-14-2013, 08:23 AM
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I hate to be this blunt to someone on their first post and it is not much of a welcome but in defense of the horse, I must say what needs to be said.

You own his aggression and behavior, 100%. This horse does not need to be put down or 'laid down'. He just needs a competent handler that will kick his spoiled butt before he fully earns his trip to Mexico.

His story reads exactly like most of the spoiled, mean horses I used to get in as 'public trainer'. He has been picked at, pecked at, nagged at until he has gotten really fed up with you. You can make any dominant horse mean by pecking at them instead properly disciplining them when they first need it.

When he was just being 'nippy', he was testing you and you came up short.

If you have to discipline a dominant horse more than twice for any aggressive behavior, you have failed and have just made that horse's resolve stronger! This includes anything from biting, to laying back ears to trying to kick or paw at someone.

Screaming and yelling is not discipline to a horse like this. It needs to hurt. Plain and simple, it needs to be a painful deterrent. It is way too late for that kind of 'mannering'.

This horse has 'bullied you' many times before he attacked you and you stepped back instead of stepping up to the needed response. Now, he has progressed from pushy and obnoxious to dangerous. It would take a competent trainer less than a week to turn him around, but he would go right back to pushing you around as soon as you got him back if you don't learn to 'read' a horse and come up with the correct response.

When people let horses get this ill-mannered, they doom most of them to the slaughter bound truck.

I used to straighten out many of these horses, but I would not do it unless the owner came and let me straighten them out with the horse. Without that, most of them would go back to aggressive behavior when their owner started hugging and kissing them and treating them like a dog instead of a potentially dangerous horse. Once you start making excuses for the little things they do, it is all downhill from there.

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I have worked with numerous owners who'd run into trouble with their horses. In most cases I worked less with the horse and more with the owner and the owner gets hands on experience. One young mare tried to come at me, not once but twice and each time she felt the sting of the stout rope and when she veered away she also felt a hard yank on the knotted halter. After that she adjusted her attitude and decided it was easier to get along than fight. This was a single lesson and the mare didn't offer any more trouble.
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post #20 of 31 Old 03-14-2013, 08:44 AM
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This type of scenario is so common and tragic. It is a rare four year old horse that will do well with an inexperienced handler. People make assessments such as "he is going to kill someone if I don't put him down," when so many times the horse is merely insecure because of the type of handling he is getting. Acting out is common in young horses.

What many people feel is being assertive back to a horse is actually very weak and pathetic. Truly assertive horses need strong body language. Strong body language means squaring your shoulders, facing a horse, standing up tall, stomping your feet and waving your arms. If the horse doesn't buy it, then you have to back it up immediately with a lunge whip or other means. Some of the "feel good" being too nice might send a horse to the grave, as this owner is contemplating. Just how nice is that?

And what many people think is a strong voice is actually a wimpy little weak, "stop it!" It is also good to know when to stop bluffing and save your life so you can work with the horse another day, if you meet one of those super rare horses that have learned to actually physically fight. I'm not talking about a bite but an aggressive attack.
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