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    03-03-2008, 08:50 AM
  #1
Green Broke
Loping chaos

I need major help. I cannot slow my gelding down no matter what I do. I got a harsher bit, it helps a little. I have been consistanly stopping and going that has helped some. Im no longer using draw reins becuase I cannot work without them now. So really now its just alot of stopping and going and circles and overcollecting and then releasing and such. Im not going to put hobbles on him or use ground poles because just trying to teach him to lope alone was dramatically effected his movement. Im going to get his stride back to the way it was, lengthy and powerful not short and choppy. But.....does anyone have any other ideas for getting him to slow down.
     
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    03-03-2008, 09:27 AM
  #2
Showing
Circles are your best friend.
Start with a 20m circle, and spiral down until you feel him come back under you and collect himself. Circle till you're blue in the face if you have to, because I know this method works.
When you say that you won't use draw reins because you couldn't ride without them tells me that he has a balance problem (i.e. Using the draw reins to balance up again) so work on a ton of suppling exercises and work on getting him off his forehand and round through the back. Maybe take things back to the trot/jog for a little bit - try to get his hips swinging through and really get a nice solid 1-2-1-2-1-2 metronome trot. Once you have that nice trot, try the same thing with the canter. Make sure you're riding with your body, not your reins when you're asking him back; think "slow" with all your aids.
Does he hold a headset or no? Is he heavy on his forehand?

ETA: once you have "slow" down pat, you can work on extending his stride out to get that nice powerful long stride you were talking about.
     
    03-03-2008, 09:30 AM
  #3
Green Broke
He holds a headset yes sometimes its too low. Im OCD with headset.

Heavy on the for-hand doesn't even begin to describe it.
     
    03-03-2008, 09:37 AM
  #4
Showing
Good morning!

Alrightey then!! Work on some exercises to get him off the forehand, because he's probably just losing his balance and falling forward into the fast lope. A lack of balace will do that to the best of horses. Trot/jog work will help, even though it's not the gait you are looking to fix right at the moment. Getting a nice metronomy trot will definitely help, and you know you have that when you can toss the reins away and the horse stays completely round and doesn't break that trot at all.
Circles, turn on haunches, even rollbacks (if your horse is old enough) will get him moving off the forehand, and settling back onto his haunches. Even your basic lateral movements will do this.
One thing that you can do as the rider to help him balance is work on feeling like you have all of his energy in front of you - ride his haunches (not literally!) not his forehand.
     
    03-03-2008, 09:38 AM
  #5
Deb
Foal
Another suggestion; whenever he gets going faster than you asked for, stop him and back him up a few steps. I found this worked with my grumpy mare. I think that backing up is not a comfortable or natural movement. In a pinch a horse will always go forward then swerve to change direction when they are upset or frightened or angry. So if you make him/her back up, its like you are saying "if you do (whatever?), I will ask you to do something you don't like to do. And do it very matter of factly, no anger, no frusteration, just a case of "I'm asking for a different movement". Keep doing this the minute they get going, and most horses will slow down because they are now focused on you and they aren't sure what you are going to ask for next.

I saw a dog-trainer use this method once on tv too, in the case of dogs that try to drag you down the street. The minute Mutty got to pulling, he would just turn around and change direction and continue to walk on.
     
    03-03-2008, 09:41 AM
  #6
Showing
Good point, Deb. Not only will the stopping and backing make him think about going slow because he won't like backing, it will also really set him up to be on his haunches for the first stride out - you then have to maintain that hind-end driven energy and not let him fall on the forehand. A horse has to work off its hind end to back up, so as long as you can "jump" into a lope straight from a back-up, you are almost guaranteed to have him on his haunches, at least for the first stride. This backing method is good for any gait to get him off his forehand.
     
    03-03-2008, 09:44 AM
  #7
Showing
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deb
I saw a dog-trainer use this method once on tv too, in the case of dogs that try to drag you down the street. The minute Mutty got to pulling, he would just turn around and change direction and continue to walk on.
*sigh* Completely off-topic, but... I wish this worked with my Rottie. She pulls to no end, I've even switched to a chain, which helps some... I've tried this technique ever since I saw it on TV, and have not seen any results. The only thing that works is saying "close," giving a warning tug, then reefing her back if she continues to pull.


I think her neck's just adapted to the chain...
     
    03-03-2008, 09:49 AM
  #8
Green Broke
Stopping and backing? Tried it
     
    03-03-2008, 10:00 AM
  #9
Showing
Mmkay, what about the other stuff?
     
    03-03-2008, 10:04 AM
  #10
Green Broke
Well his jog and trot I have down. He has the 1.2.1.2 motion perfect. Its just with the lope. Possibly I should up a video of me working him.
     

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