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        01-24-2010, 06:21 PM
      #11
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    Originally Posted by SavvyHearts    
    ok sorry you are right there was nothing on collection, but the horse is still hollow either way and unless she didn't add the ending (the "SLOWLY stopped as we kept going") there was no change in the back that I could see....if there was it wasn't that much

    The thing is that the OP mis-described what her horse was doing.

    Actually nowhere was the horse extremely hollow. Not tracking up and lack of impulsion for sure.

    This is EXTREMELY hollow...>

         
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        01-24-2010, 06:40 PM
      #12
    Green Broke
    Thank you Spyder :)

    She's so use to being lazy during the circle game, she needs to get use to actually moving those legs of hers.

    And no, I never once mentioned collection. So you can't pin me on that one savvy. Is she hollow yes, she's gotten a really bad habit of just NOT using her back or core muscles which is the whole reason why im working her in these.

    Ill try what you suggested Spyder I just gotta get a hold of what I need.

    Also if I have to I can take some screen shots, there is SOME change in her back. Was she still hollow? Yes.. but there was some change.
         
        01-24-2010, 08:39 PM
      #13
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by HorsesAreForever    


    And no, I never once mentioned collection. So you can't pin me on that one savvy. Is she hollow yes, she's gotten a really bad habit of just NOT using her back or core muscles which is the whole reason why im working her in these.
    Pin what on you? Didn't you hear me say to Spyder that I was wrong that I misread your post, and it wasn't about collection. Defensive again.


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    Also if I have to I can take some screen shots, there is SOME change in her back. Was she still hollow? Yes.. but there was some change.
    And I said, I did not see any changes....never said there wasn't but you said that she "stopped" being hollow (exact words), and in which case no she did not stop hollowing, she still was


    Spyder, don't have a magnifying glass, can't see details on a picture barely the size of a quarter


    And if you are saying Spyder that her horse isn't "hollow" then she either is swayed, but from other pictures that I've seen it does not appear to be like that, or she's extremely butt high....either way it's not good for the horse.
    And that might be your saddle problem and the reason she hollows alot (according to you) while riding. If she is build downhill, or on the forehand, it makes the saddle slide forward...in which case a crooper will cover up the problem but that means you have to use it every single time until she learns how to bring her forehand up. I, like SpiritHorse, recommend the Theraflex Pad...to use shims in the front to build up so the saddle isn't downhill. You yourself will find a more comfortable position also and Chance will have the freedom and range to physically be able to bring her back and forehand up, which I don't see how she can do with that saddle on as it's right on her scapula
         
        01-24-2010, 08:44 PM
      #14
    Green Broke
    Trust me if I could get a theraflex pad I WOULD! I realllly need something because im desperate as far as saddleing goes.

    She's built down hill.. but uphill at the same time. And Chance definitely isnt swayed like you said. I know she's hollowed how but 1/2 of it is also how she's built and how the saddle slipped so far forward made it worse. I think its cause she's so on the forehand. But I can't be riding with a saddle that far forward.. so If a crupper keeps it off her shoulders and her neck practically ill take it.

    ANd ill admit sometimes I need to think my words through lol! I more ment it as she lesseed the amount of hollowness. It was still there just less. But she is butt high to.. im wondering if she still growing a bit o.O she's 6... and a tb arab...how long do they grow? Lol!
         
        01-24-2010, 08:57 PM
      #15
    Weanling
    Try checking online and on craigslist and ebay. I have 2 theraflex pads (one for my english and one for my western) and I'd pay $2000 for them (though I think my fiance would leave me if I paid that much for one )...that's how much I think they are worth! It's made a huge difference in my mare's back, who is built downhill, and my gelding has better gaits with it.

    I dunno if it's how she's built. Personally, I don't think build would make it look that hollow. I'd say get a chiropractor out and don't ride her until then....to me it doesn't look normal.

    Balance saddles has a take off of the theraflex bad...not as nice but it's something. You need something to get that saddle off her withers and I think you'll find that she'll be much more likely to get off her forehand.
         
        01-24-2010, 09:07 PM
      #16
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    Originally Posted by SavvyHearts    

    Spyder, don't have a magnifying glass, can't see details on a picture barely the size of a quarter
    Too bad your eyesight is that bad for in that picture it is obvious and can be seen by me and I have a lot of age on you. Maybe a eye doctor is in your future?


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    And if you are saying Spyder that her horse isn't "hollow" then she either is swayed, but from other pictures that I've seen it does not appear to be like that, or she's extremely butt high....either way it's not good for the horse.

    Read correctly...I said the horse is not EXTEREMELY hollow. Personally think this video is not nearly as bad as some I have seen. Very correctable into becomning a useful horse. Just get rid of the Parelli stuff and work it with understanding with what the horse is actually doing.

    Also a horse built downhill and a horse being hollow are two totally different things.

    One more thing....I judge by what I see in FRONT of me. We were asked to look at this video....not other pictures that may have been posted.

    Sonny Whimps...your "other" side is showing.
         
        01-24-2010, 09:09 PM
      #17
    Green Broke
    I've been looking. Havent checked craigslist yet.. forgot about that.

    But see her back is more down hill anyways. So its 1/2 hollows 1/2 she just a weird back. I love how she's built in general but hate her back lol! Its given me such a hard time with saddles! I've tried every gullet, and tried a crap load of lifters. *sigh*

    http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...hele/004-3.jpg

    http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...hele/003-2.jpg

    Spyder im glad you see her as becoming a useful horse that's great to hear! I was getting worried about her back preventing her from doing stuff.

    All parelli work is basically being dropped because I want to work chance correctly now and get some real muscle on her and get her working nicely :) Cause she has a lot of talent I want to bring out and get her going again.
         
        01-24-2010, 09:25 PM
      #18
    Green Broke
    I'm sorry, I'm just coming into this now, but what is the reasoning behind using the reins? I'm not aware of how your horse normally moves, which is why I'm asking. The only concern I have is that she seems to be generally laid back and low headed - by not driving her into the bit, you're allowing her to suck behind it and virtually defeating the purpose of the reins as a muscle builder. I don't see a hollow horse, it's actually quite hard for them to be hollow with their heads down, but her lack of impulsion tells me you need to work on making her move out before concentrating on her face. Trying to set her head is going to end badly if her engine isn't working in the back. I think she looks good, I just think it would work better if you took a step back, concentrated on making her actually move her butt on the lunge and then concentrated on working her back muscles. With this little impulsion, she's really not working those muscles well by having her head down anyway.

    Beautiful girl, I think she'll learn fast anyway, and you're going great with her!
         
        01-24-2010, 09:32 PM
      #19
    Green Broke
    Well I was researching VLR's and I read that they help encourage the horse to round their backs etc. So I decided to give it a try. Which I TOTALLY forgot about actually getting her butt moving BEFORE the reins :P I jumped forward to fast. Oh well, it happens :P

    So Ill take that step back and re introduce the reins later :)

    Oh and Thank you
         
        01-24-2010, 09:41 PM
      #20
    Super Moderator
    I am not a fan of that lunging system. I can see a front leg getting tangled when the horse lowers their head. That would be a major crash.

    I would like to see this horse in single side reins and I would like to see them moving much more forward. The horse is nowhere near tracking up. Jogging with their head down is not what you're wanting, is it?

    I much prefer to ground drive with long reins. I do NOT put the outside rein behind their butt, but put the reins in the upper rings on the surcingle. I then cross the rein across their back. It gives a much finer feel on the horse's mouth without the "bumping" that will occur with the horse's haunch movement.

    Maybe the OP might have a trainer who will teach her how to use ground driving techniques. It is much more productive than lunging, IMO.
         

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