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post #31 of 40 Old 01-24-2010, 09:42 PM Thread Starter
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Okay I see where your coming from with the driving vs the lungeing method. I was actually thinking about the impulsion part right after I read it but Im glad you brought it up :)

Yeah Chances back and been a HUGE issue when it comes to saddle fitting. Still trying to make something work. She's an arab/tb and her mother had the typical TB look all together including the back.

SH I never said it couldnt be attained by the program. Parelli just didnt seem to be the road that I want to continue following. Ill take bits and peices but I want to do my own things :)

Savvy I don't believe that was directed towards you. I think spyder ment in general?

Now I gotta get this range of movement captured under saddle and online :P


I love her araby trot :)
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post #32 of 40 Old 01-24-2010, 10:06 PM
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Your point? This particular individual does not feel parelli is working for her and her horse and that's her perogrative. Nobody was attacking YOUR right to continue doing the same.
My point, is that assumption is false. I know no one is attacking my right to continue doing what I'm doing. I'm merely pointing out the thing that isn't true.
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post #33 of 40 Old 01-24-2010, 10:38 PM
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lol, all I get is an arab trot, as all these QH's pass us by with their noses to the ground! Lol.
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post #34 of 40 Old 01-24-2010, 10:41 PM
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I only skimmed the previous posts because of the drama... If your trying to get your horse to move forward and use his back more... Do you have a neck stretcher?

Hook it loosely so it hangs around the horses butt just a few inches above the hocks. Its a start if you don't have drive lines or arn't familiar with using them.. Give it a try and you might be surpised how much "lift" you get. Its useful for building that muscle memory.

Ya know those pessoa systems? They have the right idea... I just don't like how they are connected for more action in the mouth. Once you get that hind end under him more you can add simple side reins for some encouragement up front but in short bursts... be sure to unhook them frequently.

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post #35 of 40 Old 01-24-2010, 10:52 PM Thread Starter
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I do not have a neck stretcher. Never even really looked into them. I try and stay away from all the equitment, I had to convince myself for weeks that it was okay to use side reins LMAO!

I always stayed away from the Pessoa system because I hated how every time the horse took a step they would get a tug on the mouth.

Lol everyone asks me if Chance as a TB/QH cause of how laid back she can beand she's not she's a TB/Arab :P The only time people actually guess arab is when she's full of herself and prancing around with her tail in the air :P Or if you look closey at her head you can see a slight arab dip. But yeah that trot is amazing I just want to capture it under saddle. Or even getting it online would be nice lol

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Not to burst your bubble but you must be looking at a different video than I am.

While the horse is not driving up it is NOT extremely hollow throughout the video. There is also nothing in the original post or any that followed that even mentioned collection so your assessment is off track.

I would ditch the vienna reins and use two lunge lines with one set in the normal way and the other around the outside of the horse, behind the rump then back to you. This allows you the influence of the second rein to drive and can be useful interchanging lunging with driving.

I mean... a horse is either hollow or it's not, and when it's not that would essentially be collected. Yes, the horse can from there, be either collected or extended, but the hindquarters are still engaged, which is a defining point of both collection and extension. This horse is neither. It is hollow. Collection is not about where the head is.

The horse is strung out.

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I mean... a horse is either hollow or it's not, and when it's not that would essentially be collected.
A horse that is not hollow is not necessarily collected. Collection in itself encompasses much more than just having its head not in the stars. All that horse would be is relaxed and from that you can take the first step on a long road to collection.

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Yes, the horse can from there, be either collected or extended, but the hindquarters are still engaged, which is a defining point of both collection and extension. This horse is neither. It is hollow. Collection is not about where the head is.

The horse is strung out.
I am well aware of what collection is about. This horse isn't even that strung out. It is moving only as much as it feels like and is lacking impulsion.
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Why are we talking about collection again lol

And Once again lmao TY spyder.

I've seen Chance strung out before, and this diffinately isnt it. She was holding her self together better then she has in the past. She needs more implustion and I understand that. Which if you read the post I made, im gradually asking for more forward movement over time because she's just so use to practically joggin when on the circle game.. So it would be like asking you to go from barely a jog to a full out sprint almost, im sure you'd be pretty sore afterwards. So if I do it gradually over a few sessions she wont be sore and I can continue to work her. :)

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I mean... a horse is either hollow or it's not, and when it's not that would essentially be collected.


I have never heard that before in my life o.O
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Just wanted to pop in and say, from what I know, Chance doesn't look hollow in that video. Obviously not "collected", but y'all have covered that. I think with some more impulsion (which I know you're working on), she'll start learning how to use herself even better.

Keep it up! I'm starting down this road myself, and yup, it'll take a long time, but I'm already seeing improvements in Zeus on the lunge and under saddle, and we've only been at it for a month or so. :]

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Thank you :)

I can't wait to see the finished product lol
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