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View Poll Results: Should i use aids?
None or other (specify please) 8 57.14%
Pessoa training system 1 7.14%
Side reins 5 35.71%
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post #11 of 18 Old 03-29-2012, 04:24 PM Thread Starter
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My girl is very on the fore and I am probably not a good enough rider to help her out with this.

At the moment she is having to have time of work because her body has been damaged from being neglected by her past trainer so I was just trying to think of gentle ways to bring her back into work.

As well as ways to develop her muscles.
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post #12 of 18 Old 03-29-2012, 04:54 PM
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I would not use the Pessoa training system; from what I've seen of it, it works less with collection and more with wrestling and balancing against different body parts and ropes. Side reins are helpful, but unless I'm training a horse from the ground something I can't teach from the saddle for whatever reason, I stick with a halter/cavesson and lunge line.
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post #13 of 18 Old 03-29-2012, 08:18 PM
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Riding your horse in a nice relaxed long and low outline while schooling or out trail riding, long and low schooling over ground poles/cavaletti and riding up hills are all excellent for building up your horses topline.

Since you say your horse is heavy on the forehand, you will need to help her to learn how to start bringing her weight back onto her hindquarters by half halting, riding her nicely forward up to the bridle. You are kind of "catching" the energy and containing it and not letting it all go out the front end, if that makes any sense at all. Be most concerned with getting a forward energetic walk/trot/canter and then containing the energy by giving small squeezes on the reins as needed, like squeezing water from a sponge. You also get and contain it with your seat/core, it's kind of difficult for me to explain though! Remember leg to hand. Ride the back to the front. Ride forward into a soft light quiet hand. Don't hold the front end up, let her learn how by the correct use of the half halt. I hope that all makes some sense! Just don't expect a lot all at once, it is hard work for them learn how to shift all that weight back when they are used to going around with it all on the front end. It is a long slow process.

I'm not against the use of side reins and such as long as the person that is using them is experienced and skilled with them and as long as they aren't being overused. It should not replace correct schooling it should complement it.

Good luck with your girl!
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Riding your horse in a nice relaxed long and low outline while schooling or out trail riding, long and low schooling over ground poles/cavaletti and riding up hills are all excellent for building up your horses topline.

Since you say your horse is heavy on the forehand, you will need to help her to learn how to start bringing her weight back onto her hindquarters by half halting, riding her nicely forward up to the bridle. You are kind of "catching" the energy and containing it and not letting it all go out the front end, if that makes any sense at all. Be most concerned with getting a forward energetic walk/trot/canter and then containing the energy by giving small squeezes on the reins as needed, like squeezing water from a sponge. You also get and contain it with your seat/core, it's kind of difficult for me to explain though! Remember leg to hand. Ride the back to the front. Ride forward into a soft light quiet hand. Don't hold the front end up, let her learn how by the correct use of the half halt. I hope that all makes some sense! Just don't expect a lot all at once, it is hard work for them learn how to shift all that weight back when they are used to going around with it all on the front end. It is a long slow process.

I'm not against the use of side reins and such as long as the person that is using them is experienced and skilled with them and as long as they aren't being overused. It should not replace correct schooling it should complement it.

Good luck with your girl!

Thankyou, when you say contain her but ride with light hands how much pressure are you talking about?
Also how would you do a half halt?
I have heard just ask the same as a halt but before they stop/go down a gait move them on again?

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post #15 of 18 Old 03-29-2012, 09:34 PM
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I am not the best at explaining things but I'll try my best.

Think of your regular contact as a following steady light elastic feeling and try to maintain that feeling. You would half halt with just enough resistance to feel a slight shift in your horse's weight from front to back and then go back to your regular following steady elastic contact, it should only last for a few seconds. First of all be sure that you are riding with a straight line from bit to elbow. Remember to not lock your elbows, think of that line from bit to elbow as an elastic that follows your horse's natural movement of his head and neck. You will notice the movement at walk and canter the most and just be aware to follow it maintaining that elastic feeling. At the trot you will not feel any forward and back movement to follow but you need to be aware of keeping your elbows unlocked so that they open and close with your rising and sitting if you are posting it isn't as noticeable if you are sitting. Ok, so if you want to half halt to shift your horse's weight back you will need to resist the forward movement, starting at your elbows don't pull back, just resist for a few seconds and stay elastic, you may have to add a squeeze at the same time for a few seconds. If you get no response try it with a little bit heavier stronger elastic feeling in your elbow and squeeze a bit stonger at the same time. If your horse does not respond bring them down to halt from walk or walk from trot, etc. It is really difficult to say just how much "pressure" you will need as it varies from horse to horse, what level of training they are at, etc.

Remember, the most important thing is to have your horse moving forwards into the elastic feeling.

Hopefully this was an ok description and it helps you out a little, if not maybe someone else will have a better description for you.
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Thankyou!
Thats good :)

When she is well again i will defenently be trying this.
We were planning on doing some fun very very low level dressage comps (HRCAV level 4) but i think we will wait a bit until she is working better.

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I'm glad it made some sense! Have fun with her and good luck at your competitions!
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post #18 of 18 Old 03-29-2012, 09:48 PM Thread Starter
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Thankyou, i do have fun with her!

Shes amazing, i was discussing this with my coach yesterday and she said that she has never seen a horse that was as mistreated/neglected/abused as her that would still try to do the right thing for me.

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