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  • WHEN IS LUNGING HORSE UNSAFE

 
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    02-12-2010, 07:31 AM
  #1
Green Broke
Lunging.

Heyy,

Its getting to a point where its unsafe!

So resently I've started lunging Chinga again, I haven't been able to get anyone out with me to help, nor have I picked up my yards yet. So I was trying to lunge him today, I do know how to lunge a horse because I've lunged the school horses for my instructor and a few green horses. But I'm really having trouble with Chinga. He use to be really bad, then he got good but now his gone back to bad. I guess this is because I haven't had time to lunge him lately. So I'm planning on re-training him to lunge. What he tends to do is turn in at you and then you'll eaither step round him and make him keep going and he'll just keep ducking in again, or I'll push him out and he'll run off bucking. Its getting to a point where it is unsafe, his got a rope around his legs, that he can easily fall on and when he does buck out, I have no choice but to let go of the rope otherwise I will have a hoof in my face. The other thing he does is pulls outwards, I've though about giving him a sharp pull on the rope. But for one reason or another I cannot see this working. I'm hoping to get mum to come out once every second day *as every day is nearly impossible for her with both my sisters sports. Getting her to walk the circle with while I stand in the middle giving him the cues and her slowly coming in and getting him to stay out. I tried to get video today, but it didn't really work. But I got video of the results.






So even though it looks cool, it is purly unhelpful and dangerous, in one of them you can see how close he is to me. Don't get me wrong he is an excellent horse, but I believe he is slightly scared of the lunge (we've done LOTS of desensitizing to the gear).
     
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    02-12-2010, 07:36 AM
  #2
Weanling
What do you lunge him in and with? Do you lunge him in that open field always?
     
    02-12-2010, 07:42 AM
  #3
Green Broke
Yeah, because at the moment I don't have yards. His in a halter usually and has a lunge rope, sometimes boots. That's about it.
     
    02-12-2010, 09:10 AM
  #4
Banned
He's not scared. He's just got your number. He knows you can't make him. He knows you can't hold him.

1. More turnout. If a horse has that kind of energy to burn, they need to have more time to run and play to blow it off BEFORE any kind of work can begin. He also looks to be in very good weight, so I wonder if an adjustment to his concentrates isn't also in order.

2. Enclosed area. Once they learn they can leave whenever they want, you're stuck. Work him someplace, where if he does get loose, he can't go far.

3. Longeing Cavesson. You have no control longeing in a halter. They can whip the head around and they are gone. A longeing cavesson applies pressure to the sensitive nose. A horse hits the end of that and they'll usually think twice about trying it again. The term is called 'leverage', and right now, you've got none and he knows it.

4. Wait for experienced help. You're in over your head at this point and a habit is being created that becomes infinitely more difficult to correct the more times it is allowed to happen.

5. Research. I'm not entirely convinced you do know how to longe, or that you've been taught properly...per the outcome with this horse. So grab a book on longeing and start learning on your own, so you can identify if the person teaching you firsthand knows what they are doing.
     
    02-12-2010, 09:25 AM
  #5
Foal
This horse needs to have his oxygen taken away in the round pen one good time. And I'm not talking about choking, I'm talking about work. If you don't have a round pen, get good control of his hip and disengage it when he tries that mess. If that don't work have someone, who is strong enough, pull him off balance a few times when he tries that mess.
     
    02-12-2010, 09:27 AM
  #6
Foal
Sound advice!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercedes    
He's not scared. He's just got your number. He knows you can't make him. He knows you can't hold him.

1. More turnout. If a horse has that kind of energy to burn, they need to have more time to run and play to blow it off BEFORE any kind of work can begin. He also looks to be in very good weight, so I wonder if an adjustment to his concentrates isn't also in order.

2. Enclosed area. Once they learn they can leave whenever they want, you're stuck. Work him someplace, where if he does get loose, he can't go far.

3. Longeing Cavesson. You have no control longeing in a halter. They can whip the head around and they are gone. A longeing cavesson applies pressure to the sensitive nose. A horse hits the end of that and they'll usually think twice about trying it again. The term is called 'leverage', and right now, you've got none and he knows it.

4. Wait for experienced help. You're in over your head at this point and a habit is being created that becomes infinitely more difficult to correct the more times it is allowed to happen.

5. Research. I'm not entirely convinced you do know how to longe, or that you've been taught properly...per the outcome with this horse. So grab a book on longeing and start learning on your own, so you can identify if the person teaching you firsthand knows what they are doing.
     
    02-12-2010, 09:35 AM
  #7
mls
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercedes    
3. Longeing Cavesson. You have no control longeing in a halter. They can whip the head around and they are gone. A longeing cavesson applies pressure to the sensitive nose. A horse hits the end of that and they'll usually think twice about trying it again. The term is called 'leverage', and right now, you've got none and he knows it.
I will disagree. A correctly fitted halter will work very well
     
    02-12-2010, 09:43 AM
  #8
Trained
I would work on leading. I know you think he leads fine and the problem is on the lunge but he needs help leading. I would start with getting him to lower his head . Put one hand on his poll and one hand where the lead attaches to the halter. Don't pull just let themsit there untill the horse moves his head down and then release your hands. When you can position his head anywhere you want then move on to moving his feet. Using as little pressure as possible get him to move one front foot forward one step and only one step. You will have to move his head to the left so he can shift his wieght and move the right foot and vice versa. You should be able to move only one foot forward and backward without taking the slack out of the lead. Then you can teach him to yield his hindquarters a little better making sure that he is crossing in front of the outside leg.

What this will do is get him to move with your feel and he won't need to go bucking off when you try to lunge him. If he does need to run off you need to see him getting ready and disengage his hindquarters and change his mind. I would not be real gentle about it.
     
    02-12-2010, 09:45 AM
  #9
Green Broke
I agree with Payton (and Mercedes) get him in a round pen to work. Working on a line in an big open space like that invites him to cause trouble when he already knows he can get out of your hands. It's not doing him any good to lunge under those circumstances - it's just perpetuating the problem.
     
    02-12-2010, 09:45 AM
  #10
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by mls    
I will disagree. A correctly fitted halter will work very well
unless the horse wants to run off then you can refer to the pictures above to see what happens. If you can control the horses nose you can control the whole body.
     

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