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    03-06-2013, 11:00 AM
  #1
Weanling
Lunging with Cavesson

How do you start out using a lunging cavesson with side reins? What does it do for the horse? Is it worth trying? Basically I just want to know anything you all know about this topic
     
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    03-06-2013, 03:07 PM
  #2
Weanling
Anyone?
     
    03-06-2013, 03:09 PM
  #3
Yearling
It does nothing, it's the same as putting side reins on a halter.
     
    03-06-2013, 10:17 PM
  #4
Weanling
Well I'm asking more about the whole thing (like when you use it with side reins and all)
     
    03-06-2013, 10:41 PM
  #5
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Originally Posted by palogal    
It does nothing, it's the same as putting side reins on a halter.

It won't change the way the side reins work or don't work. But what it does is make the connection to the horse be NOT via his mouth. You connect to a hook on the front of his nose, and this makes it harder for him to pull against the rein, thereby encouraging him to balance himself without leaning on the rein, nor do any corrections you do go through his mouth. This is the traditional way of lunging in classical dressage schools of Europe.
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    03-07-2013, 01:45 AM
  #6
Weanling
There are three rings on a caveson, the middle is for the lunge line, and the side ones are for the s.r. The height of the sr should be a straight line from the mouth to roughly the point of the hip (or where the rider's knee might be). Usually the inside rein is a hole or two shorter to have a slightly lateral flexion alignment.

Otherwise are you talking about how to lunge, or ????
     
    03-07-2013, 03:58 AM
  #7
Trained
Side reins on a halter (a cavesson is just a glorified halter) do nothing to teach the horse about self carriage or contact. You need to think about what you want to achieve with the lunging - are you lunging for exercise? To develop connection? To develop muscles? No reason I can think of would be helped by using side reins directly on a cavesson, and in fact some of them would be directly hampered. I lunge with side reins, and I use a cavesson - over top of a bridle. The side reins connect to the bit, and the lunge to the cavesson.

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Originally Posted by equitate    
There are three rings on a caveson, the middle is for the lunge line, and the side ones are for the s.r. The height of the sr should be a straight line from the mouth to roughly the point of the hip (or where the rider's knee might be). Usually the inside rein is a hole or two shorter to have a slightly lateral flexion alignment.

Otherwise are you talking about how to lunge, or ????
Re the underlined - as far as I am aware, this is not "usually" the case, and is in fact incorrect. Both reins should be of even length.
     
    03-07-2013, 10:07 AM
  #8
Yearling
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiilaa    
Side reins on a halter (a cavesson is just a glorified halter) do nothing to teach the horse about self carriage or contact. You need to think about what you want to achieve with the lunging - are you lunging for exercise? To develop connection? To develop muscles? No reason I can think of would be helped by using side reins directly on a cavesson, and in fact some of them would be directly hampered. I lunge with side reins, and I use a cavesson - over top of a bridle. The side reins connect to the bit, and the lunge to the cavesson.



Re the underlined - as far as I am aware, this is not "usually" the case, and is in fact incorrect. Both reins should be of even length.
Yes. Side reins should never be uneven.
     
    03-07-2013, 10:49 AM
  #9
Weanling
The question was how do you start lunging with a caveson (initially present it), not how, or the progression (which was recently discussed in another thread).Didnt actually put why. And tinyliny is correct about the tradition (was specifying that...not the op...sorry).

A cavesson is not just a glorified halter for a number of reasons, they are padded, have straps (not a throatlatch) to prevent them from sliding sideways and torqued into the eye of the horse. And because the line is attached in front rather than underneath, so they allow vibrational half halts, easier flexion inside which can makes a horse more upright (with s.r.) and without can allows stretching more easily. But in a halter with line attached underneath usually cause the horses response to any vibration from underneath by going higher. When a halter is attached to one ring it simply pulls the neck inside and the horse counter bends/leans.

Cavesons were initially used (a couple of hundred years ago) for work around a pillar, and for lateral flexibility (with draw reins attached with a rider). A caveson DOES teach a horse about working into a connection (and how it was progressively presented), and self carriage (vibrate the line). THen when the sr are attached to a bit it is not a strange/frightening concept to be worked into connection. It is progressive, the horse knows HOW to respond to hh, will stay up and open and less likely to have the bars impacted aggressively. It is a STEP in training.

Lunging is to present ideas progressive without the weight of the rider, this include contact, balance, change of gaits, lateral flexibility, steady tempo, etc. By first using the s.r. To the caveson and later to the bit that is allowed, methodically.

And initially the s.r. May be even, but usually the inside is slightly shorter (1-2") to allow the beginning of lateral flexibility (Reiner Klimke, Egon von Neindorff, SRS does this amoung others). It underlies the idea of riding 'in position'/seeing the inside eyelashes and working into the outside reins. It is using what the horse needs, and there are some where the outside is shorter if their behavior/movement needs it. Because the horse should flex/bend lightly through the body on a circle (to increase engagement/flexibility lateral) oftentimes the inside sr will get too loose, connection is missing (more likely to happen in a bit that onto caveson), hence slightly shorter inside. Always remember this point of working on a curved line with side reins is to develop lateral flexibility/balance/being upright which helps with straightness, it is NOT to enforce longitudinal flexion or lowering in the neck.
     
    03-07-2013, 11:21 AM
  #10
Yearling
Do you have proof of any of that?
     

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