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  • Horse tries to come to me when longeing

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    12-28-2011, 05:22 AM
  #11
Foal
And kayty.. I disagree .. It does have some of the attached issue in there.. If he is attached he would be in my space... And what I agree with you on is getting him out of my space .. But I don't want to sound mean or anything that's just my opinion:)
     
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    12-28-2011, 05:31 AM
  #12
Super Moderator
Attachment or not, it is a way how a horse has taught you to cease your commands. My gelding tries the same thing - when lunging, he tries to come to me and stretch out his nose in a friendly manner. At first, when I lacked experience, it seemed cute, but soon enough I had trouble to lunge him at all, because he would just try coming into my space! And quite logically, of course - look from the horses' viewpoint: "When I come into her space, she stops applying pressure on me, therefore, coming to her is what she asks!/is what I have taught her!" ;)
     
    12-28-2011, 05:34 AM
  #13
Foal
Okay.. Yes it is getting quite annoying and I get mad at him and he knows it.. But I'm going to try all you guys help, so thanks:)
     
    12-28-2011, 06:11 AM
  #14
Trained
No problems with your opinion, but I know lots of people would think my yearling is the same. Very attached, loves being near me having a scratch. But they still need to have that respect for you, they can be attached and respect you at the same time. Your horse might like you, but he does not respect you. If he DID respect you, he would move immediately out of your space when you ask him to.

Talk to Cherie on the forum, she is a prime example of this. Her horses adore her, want to be around her, are always keen to get out of the paddock and have a 'play' with her, but hell, they totally and utterly respect her and wouldn't dare not move out of her way if she asked them to.

Getting stuck in the limbo of humanising a horse is a risky business. I would love to let my yearling be cute and cuddly, chew on my clothes, nuzzle my face, want to stay in my space etc. But I know that when he gets bigger, and he knows that he can be in my space, he can very easily become a bully, and even become dangerous as a result. He's 14 months old, and already knows **** well that when I ask him to move, I MEAN move, no matter how much he wants a cuddle!!
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    12-28-2011, 12:31 PM
  #15
Foal
Okay thanks :)
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    12-28-2011, 01:41 PM
  #16
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Kayty    
How are you positioning yourself in relationship to his body?
When he comes in towards you, try walking towards his hind quarters and flicking the whip directly at his quarters, wave you arms, growl at him etc if you have to, just get his feet moving in the direction you want him to go.
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Originally Posted by horse lover 114    
I do exactly that and when I do he keeps circling with his back hooves
In my way of online work:

Pressure on the hindquarters is asking for disengagement, turning, and stopping.

Pressure behind the horse is asking for forward/increase of speed. (I would start at least 90degrees behind the horse with small circles of the stick coming closer until the third circle would result in the tip of the string touching the head of the tail).

Pressure to the neck/shoulder area is asking the horse to move away/out on the circle.

If by chance your horse has been handled this way, then he is doing what is asked of him.

Experiment, if you were to learn what the horse knows, then it might be easier for you to teach the horse the other method.
     
    12-28-2011, 01:44 PM
  #17
Foal
Okay that helps.. Thanks
     
    12-28-2011, 03:01 PM
  #18
Super Moderator
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Originally Posted by Kayty    
How are you positioning yourself in relationship to his body?
When he comes in towards you, try walking towards his hind quarters and flicking the whip directly at his quarters, wave you arms, growl at him etc if you have to, just get his feet moving in the direction you want him to go.

This is the most common target, but it will only make your horse move his hind away from you but turn and face you all the more.

If you need to move the horse so that he is no longer facing you, so that you have access to the "driveline", you must make him move his shoulders away from you. Focus on his closest nostril and push that nostril away from you. The head will move, then the neck then the front feet and thus the horse will move such that you now can access it's girth area ; it's "driveline".
     
    12-28-2011, 03:03 PM
  #19
Super Moderator
Here are just tons of threads on your problem

http://www.horseforum.com/search.php?searchid=2179858
     
    12-28-2011, 03:51 PM
  #20
Foal
Thanks:)
     

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