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post #1 of 13 Old 12-29-2013, 11:55 PM Thread Starter
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made refuses to tie up

Whenever I try to tie up my mare she flips out she has even broken a tree before. I DID NOT CAUSE THIS. The second day I had her I tied her up and she freaked out. I have tried everything to get her to tie up. I have had other horses stand next to her when I'm trying to give her I have given her treats and I have tried looping a lunge rope through the tie ring and holding one end. Nothing is working please help.
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post #2 of 13 Old 12-30-2013, 12:31 AM
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The tree you tied to wasn't sturdy/thick enough.
Find a THICK and sturdy tree, preferably with the same sort I of branches and tie her to the branch (toward the base of the branch, but not quite at the junction).
Put a 3-ply nylon halter on her (no breakaway strap/connector) and get a nylon braid lead rope with a swivel snap (the snap being a bull snap).
Leave her be until she calms down and relaxes. While she's throwing a hissy, don't let her see you. It could take her an hour, or it could take her a week, depends on how adamant she is about getting loose.

I've used this method with great results and have heard of others using with good results as well. If you don't like it though, don't use it. Obviously if it takes her more than a few hours you should probably feed her..and make sure she always has access to water.

That's the only way I know of to break a horse of setting back and breaking things, but I'm sure someome else will have a different approach.
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post #3 of 13 Old 12-30-2013, 12:53 AM
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I've had plenty of success with Iseul's method. If you don't like it, do something else. I use a rope halter and a thick cotton rope tied directly to the halter. No metal to break. Tie to a big, sturdy tree. No horse can break a giant tree. Always tie to a point higher than the horse's head. Let her fight and pull back if she needs to. Trees are perfect "trainers." They release right when the horse gives to pressure, and the release is directly proportional to how much the horse gives.
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post #4 of 13 Old 12-30-2013, 10:21 AM Thread Starter
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That is a perfect way for a horse to break her neck.
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post #5 of 13 Old 12-30-2013, 10:38 AM
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The other thing you can do in the interim- teach her to ground tie.
I agree with the tie hard to train method, but had no good tree or anything to use that she couldn't break- she pulled the top off the 3 log upside down U shaped hitching post, just because she could!
So I taught her to ground tie. It made me feel better doing it in a round pen for the first few months, but I did do it just loose as well, as long as others were around and I had a good eye on her, I felt okay like that. We did this for a few months, and now she hard ties with no problems at all!
My mare had done the pulling back and breaking things *right* after I bought her, and I was nervous, she was my first horse, I wasn't horribly experienced. And she is *smart* she had my number! It was nerve wracking, not to count the 4 or 5 lead ropes and halters she broke!
So since it seems that you aren't comfortable with the method suggested (no worries, there are other things.
Also, use a rope halter!! I don't know if you do, but they work so much better for admonishing poor behavior with this issue when you quick pull the halter to tell the horse no, go back where you were.
Go look up how to teach ground tying, if you don't find anything good for you, I can explain how I did it. :) Just takes time, patience, lots of small horse treats, and I liked to add to it jumping around looking a fool to try to get her to break her stand! :)
Oh, and in regards to tying higher than their head, I agree. :) I have had her 2 years, and still won't tie her below her shoulder, she doesn't like it and will get figitedy. So we don't do it, only head-ish or higher for her and she does great!
Good luck!
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post #6 of 13 Old 12-30-2013, 11:27 AM
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My thoroughbred used to be the same way. At one of my old barns we had break away ropes when we tied the horses. My horse being the little brat he is lol. Learned that they were break away and if he wanted to get away then he could get away. So this started a long process of him not tying.

Fast forward and I have my horse at a new barn. I tied him to a hitching post and tied him with a break away. For some reason the break away didn't work when my horse tried to pull back. And he kept pulling until he realized he could not get away and calmed down and stood perfectly. After that he has never tried to pull away from tying and calm as can be.

I see you don't like that method, I unintentionally did it, and it worked for and keeps me and my horse out of harm because he learned. He used to pull from the breakaway so hard that he flipped over.

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post #7 of 13 Old 12-30-2013, 11:40 AM
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My thoroughbred used to be the same way. At one of my old barns we had break away ropes when we tied the horses. My horse being the little brat he is lol. Learned that they were break away and if he wanted to get away then he could get away. So this started a long process of him not tying.

Fast forward and I have my horse at a new barn. I tied him to a hitching post and tied him with a break away. For some reason the break away didn't work when my horse tried to pull back. And he kept pulling until he realized he could not get away and calmed down and stood perfectly. After that he has never tried to pull away from tying and calm as can be.

I see you don't like that method, I unintentionally did it, and it worked for and keeps me and my horse out of harm because he learned. He used to pull from the breakaway so hard that he flipped over.
Exactly Hero! They have to learn that no matter how hard they try, they *can't* get loose!! I had no means to teach that- no good trees, poles, nada. So I just taught her to ground tie, which in and of itself, is a very good thing to know as well, Not that we work on it much anymore, as she ties well the normal way now.
In talking to many people, I believe the height of the tie also makes a difference. Many horses don't seem to like to be hitching post height. I know my mare doesn't! And our gelding tends to mess around more when it is tied lower- dance, pull and pull until he trips (usually we just wrapped his, as there was no good way to tie it until recently and he doesn't go anywhere once he is loose.) Wish my mare would learn that!! She lives for running in general! Like the toddler in the department store! Anyhoo... :)
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There are so many factors that go into cases like this. Is she pulling back to just get lose? Is she truly scared? How well does she give to pressure? What have you tried? What sets her off?

I've seen people successfully do various methods from never tying again (horses who would never over come their fear or owners to scared to try) to hard tying until the horse stops (for horses who break lose because they can) to a few hard cracks from a dressage whip on the hind end as soon as they start setting back.

I'd suggest consulting a trainer or evaluating your horse to see what's happening and what will help. Teach your horse to give to poll pressure. Get him to drop his head when you pull down and step forward when you pull on him. Turning him out with a lead dragging (in a small paddock or round pen) can also help them learn that when there is pressure on their heads it reallyno big deal. You can also mimic being tied. Hold the lead in front of you or let him pull it through a tie blocker. When he pulls back follow him backwards and keep the pressure until his stops then bring him back to that same spot.
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post #9 of 13 Old 12-30-2013, 11:48 AM
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For a horse that has gotten in the habit of pulling to be retrained to tie, it needs to learn there is no point in pulling, because the rope will not break, and it will not win. I have heard of several ways to do this, my experiences are:

always make sure they are very halterbroke and give well to pressure first.

1) the above method. Depending on how determined the horse is, this can get ugly. For a horse that is of the 'thinking' sort, not prone to really violent reactions, It can work well. For very reactive horses, it can result in injuries and more harm than good.

2)give and take. Use a sturdy lunge line, wrap it around a post, and when the horse goes back, maintain pressure, then have them move back to where they should have been, and release pressure. eventually they figure out they cant win, and they need to stand quietly. We usually do something like this with our babies for the first while, so they learn to stand quietly without being 'trapped' when they test the rope. Doesn't take long before they never test the rope, and stand quietly when its draped over a rail. At that point they can be tied fast, and I've never had a puller using this method. In fact, I've halter broke many horses, foals, weanlings, two and three year olds, and never had a horse I trained pull back to the point of breaking anything.

3) rope around the girth. run a rope around the girth(in a non sliding knot), between the front legs, up through the halter and tied next to the lead rope, but slightly shorter than. The horse pulls back, feels pressure, and moves forward away from it. We've used this on OTTB's that were pullers, and it works great.
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post #10 of 13 Old 12-30-2013, 04:10 PM
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Good strudy halter with a good strudy rope no metal on either to break. Tie horse up to a big tree and let it fight it out. Iv done this with all my horses it works they all tie without issue.

I leave my horses tied up for the day by end of day they learned they aren't going any where might as well stand quite. Don't have a tieing issue with either horse and no one broke their neck either.
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