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post #31 of 72 Old 04-08-2012, 08:48 PM Thread Starter
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He is a TWH. They do canter, they usually need work though. Why miss out on a gait?
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The horse looks gaited to me. I think it's not a cantering breed....


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I agree with the others, he needs to learn his balance. I don't think it is something to panic on, just like DarkHorse said, it took a year. I am in for the long term commitment or I would have sold him. He is so sweet, that I rather have a project horse than buy one that is ready to show. I feel the learning experience is the best part of it. :)

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That depends on long term prognosis, general health, and rehab prospects. If they are mine; I have put them down, rehabbed to light riding, pasture puffed, and rehabbed to working riding.
It all depends on the horse and the situation. If the vet says they are going to stay in significant pain, then I'll end their life rather than let them suffer. It all depends on the horse.
I used to help with and rescue a lot of horses. I can't do it anymore. I got sick of being the one to pull the trigger on someone else's mistakes/accidents/neglect.
I take care of my boy (pasture puff forever?) and am happy. I donate money to help others rescue, rehab, and care for those types now. I still volunteer with a friend when I can. I am also always there for the phone call asking for help.


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LOL I am sorry of the previous post came off as sounding pompous and bitchy/snotty. I reread your post and my own then decided maybe I misunderstood.

Are you asking how to deal with pain issues on horses like Rascal? How to rehab them, when possible?

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He is a TWH. They do canter, they usually need work though. Why miss out on a gait?
They don't all canter. I have a walking horse that can canter and trot but I prefer her better as a gaited horse, it's what she was built for and what she's most comfortable doing.

If your horse has no injury ie stifle or hip and you feel like you can get it to canter then it's going to take consistancy. I would think if it started to gait then you would stop and start over until it learned the movement you are looking for.

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He isn't in pain. I have had more than one vet look and other people. I think it is a balance issue and that he needs more back end muscle.
Just because someone can look at a horse and say "he's not in pain" doesn't mean it's true. I know my horse better then everyone and I kept saying that something wasn't right. Her gait felt off. I had vets look at her, soundness exam done, xrays. And they found nothing.

I recently look her to a chiropractor, and she's a completely different horse. She moves differently, she's more relaxed. Her gaits have improved. I've owned her since she was 7 months old, she's never been in an accident, never been injured.

I second having a chiropractor look at him. Many people thought I was crazy and said not to waste my money, and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. Totally worth the money and we've changed some people's opinions about equine chiropractic work.

They will also give you exercises to do that will help a horse lift his back, use his hindquarters better etc. It's not just about "cracking the back" and hoping to see an improvement. You'd be surprised at the stuff they can find! At 18 years old, I'd be willing to bet a chiropractor could do him wonders. You just have to keep an open mind. Especially if vets haven't found anything wrong with him, a fresh set of eyes could be just the trick!

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I can't see the video but I have to first comment about the side reins.

Putting them on the tightest hole will not help him to relax, which is the opposite of what he's doing when his head is up in the air.

Take the side reins off, they aren't being used properly..

Second, I will comment on what I think is going on, due to lack of ability to see the video. He's not using his back from the sound of it which means he's hollow and probably not balanced either. And could be in pain. First, check to make sure he isn't in pain. I'd check with a different vet and find a chiropractor or even a equine massage person. Check the saddle fit too. Check for feet bruising or underlying problems.

After everything has been checked, I recommend you really need to go back to absolute basics with him.

My advice? He needs to go back to walking and learn to relax and work with his back and work with the rider. Don't even trot him until his walk is perfect. Even if it bores you to tears, and your horse to tears, as soon as he begins to understand how to use his back, consider that a good note and end on it. Build on that, until he can do it walking comfortably, then move up to the trot transition. Don't keep trotting if he throws his head and loses his back muscle. Back down to a walk, get him prepared, then trot transition again. If he lasts, good! Do a few steps and then back to walk. End on a good note.

Once he can trot with his back, without being hollow, then you can do the same for canter. Transition using back. When he stops using his back, back down to a trot, and if he's wound up at the trot, go to a walk. Prepare.. back to a trot, if he's good, back to a canter transition. If he handled it, continue then (BEFORE he falls apart) go back to a trot.

While you're doing these gaits, incorporate figures every so often to change things up, lateral movements if he knows them. Get him relaxed before you switch things up.

End on a good note. Yes this will be frustrating. Don't try to do it all in one lesson/session. Break it up into little sessions. Help him relax and engage that back. The head is part of using his back in such that when he uses his back, he will be relaxed and his head will not brace upwards. I'm not an expert, but that's how I would do it.

Good luck. That's my advice.
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post #37 of 72 Old 04-08-2012, 10:07 PM Thread Starter
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No, its ok :) what did you do to those horses to help them canter correctly?
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LOL I am sorry of the previous post came off as sounding pompous and bitchy/snotty. I reread your post and my own then decided maybe I misunderstood.

Are you asking how to deal with pain issues on horses like Rascal? How to rehab them, when possible?


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post #38 of 72 Old 04-08-2012, 10:08 PM Thread Starter
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Right, your correct. Thank you :)
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They don't all canter. I have a walking horse that can canter and trot but I prefer her better as a gaited horse, it's what she was built for and what she's most comfortable doing.

If your horse has no injury ie stifle or hip and you feel like you can get it to canter then it's going to take consistancy. I would think if it started to gait then you would stop and start over until it learned the movement you are looking for.

Good luck to you.


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post #39 of 72 Old 04-08-2012, 10:09 PM Thread Starter
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Thank you! I think I will try it :) How often do you have to have the chiro. come out?

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Just because someone can look at a horse and say "he's not in pain" doesn't mean it's true. I know my horse better then everyone and I kept saying that something wasn't right. Her gait felt off. I had vets look at her, soundness exam done, xrays. And they found nothing.

I recently look her to a chiropractor, and she's a completely different horse. She moves differently, she's more relaxed. Her gaits have improved. I've owned her since she was 7 months old, she's never been in an accident, never been injured.

I second having a chiropractor look at him. Many people thought I was crazy and said not to waste my money, and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. Totally worth the money and we've changed some people's opinions about equine chiropractic work.

They will also give you exercises to do that will help a horse lift his back, use his hindquarters better etc. It's not just about "cracking the back" and hoping to see an improvement. You'd be surprised at the stuff they can find! At 18 years old, I'd be willing to bet a chiropractor could do him wonders. You just have to keep an open mind. Especially if vets haven't found anything wrong with him, a fresh set of eyes could be just the trick!


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I adjusted him from the loosest to the tightest, and either way he still kept his head up. I do know how to use the side reins. Thanks for the advice though! :)

I have checked that his saddle fit is good, his hoofs are healthy, the vet looked at him. I will look into a chiropractor.

His walk is solid, I need to get his head more consistent but overall he looks good in the walk.

Thanks! That is great advice! I am planning on doing this. :)

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I can't see the video but I have to first comment about the side reins.

Putting them on the tightest hole will not help him to relax, which is the opposite of what he's doing when his head is up in the air.

Take the side reins off, they aren't being used properly..

Second, I will comment on what I think is going on, due to lack of ability to see the video. He's not using his back from the sound of it which means he's hollow and probably not balanced either. And could be in pain. First, check to make sure he isn't in pain. I'd check with a different vet and find a chiropractor or even a equine massage person. Check the saddle fit too. Check for feet bruising or underlying problems.

After everything has been checked, I recommend you really need to go back to absolute basics with him.

My advice? He needs to go back to walking and learn to relax and work with his back and work with the rider. Don't even trot him until his walk is perfect. Even if it bores you to tears, and your horse to tears, as soon as he begins to understand how to use his back, consider that a good note and end on it. Build on that, until he can do it walking comfortably, then move up to the trot transition. Don't keep trotting if he throws his head and loses his back muscle. Back down to a walk, get him prepared, then trot transition again. If he lasts, good! Do a few steps and then back to walk. End on a good note.

Once he can trot with his back, without being hollow, then you can do the same for canter. Transition using back. When he stops using his back, back down to a trot, and if he's wound up at the trot, go to a walk. Prepare.. back to a trot, if he's good, back to a canter transition. If he handled it, continue then (BEFORE he falls apart) go back to a trot.

While you're doing these gaits, incorporate figures every so often to change things up, lateral movements if he knows them. Get him relaxed before you switch things up.

End on a good note. Yes this will be frustrating. Don't try to do it all in one lesson/session. Break it up into little sessions. Help him relax and engage that back. The head is part of using his back in such that when he uses his back, he will be relaxed and his head will not brace upwards. I'm not an expert, but that's how I would do it.

Good luck. That's my advice.


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