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        01-02-2013, 09:31 PM
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    I also think maybe that it could be that he gets into this deep trance like state. When you are doing something with him he has to think about, when he's tied he's bored. Not thinking.....then its like he comes back from his sleep trance and forgets what he is doing (tied to something) and the first thing he does in pull back. Forgetting everything from the point of falling a sleep. Then when he scares him self from pulling back he gets more scared.
    That is a really interesting theory! I have never thought about that before. But for all the times he has had his *ahem* .. "moments" he was not dozing before any of them. Like today, he had been nosing my jacket for the treat Im sure he could smell in there. We had just had a good grooming session. I had finished his feet and gave him a pat on the neck. Almost had the knot undone and he pulled back. I said "hey now. Woah" because on his normal days that is enough to stop him. But I saw his eyes sort of roll and I knew that was all she wrote. I got out of the way and told my friend to do the same (she was making her way over to try and undo the knot). It is violent, it is ugly and it is scary. And I definitely do not understand it.
         
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        01-02-2013, 09:31 PM
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    Well see this horse was known for pulling back for no reason. His owner was fed up with him. She wanted to ride, he was a great show horse. However she could never leave him alone in fear. They left him at the vet barn for a think she said 2 weeks. They did everything like she normally would. He pulled back there and they got the brain waves. They also did the test at her own place as well. It cost her a arm and a leg but after that she found out about the brain problem. Have you all ways had a rope halter on him?
         
        01-02-2013, 09:32 PM
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    Quick question.....what does he do when he pulls back in a regular nylon halter and it breaks virtually immediately..,..does he stop on the spot, does he run away??? Just curious.....because in one instance he responds correctly to pressure, and in another he fights the pressure.....I wonder what he would do with a rope around his middle and between his front legs hitched to a post and tied high and long with a neck strap on?? That way when he flips out and goes back the pressure is on the hitch rope and not his head.....but this is all theorizing.....I'm thinking he's switching off and switching on with an explosion....and this is just because of the unpredictability of his episodes....
    Has he had any injuries that you know of to his face or head? Even minor ones? Has he ever been kept behind an electric fence?
         
        01-02-2013, 09:32 PM
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    The part that confuses me the most is that you mentioned he throws himself to the ground even when the rope isn't tight. That is very strange...To me it seems like something medical for sure. Perhaps his previous training has something to do with it in addition to the medical problem.
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        01-02-2013, 09:32 PM
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    Ooops double!!
         
        01-02-2013, 09:34 PM
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    I wonder if this is neurological? It almost sounds like he has a little seizure or stroke it's strange for a horse to throw itself backwards like that. I'd definitely start trying him where he can can loose if he has one of these attacks because he's going to fall on someone or kill himself. Your horse isn't impressive bred is he? I've heard of HYPP positive horses having crazy attacks. I'd definitely rule out neurological as best you can because if it is you don't want him flipping over on you when you ride him.
         
        01-02-2013, 09:40 PM
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    I witnessed a horse have an aneurysm, and it threw itself over and over and over on the cement. Believe it or not, it survived. Became a shell of itself.

    I'd be consulting a veterinarian about tests. Ofcourse that's easy to say, but I do recognise the cost involved in doing neurological testing on horses.

    Something is amiss for sure. I've also seen them just standing there all relaxed and then they act like they got zapped by an electric fence on the end of the nose and just flip out. You could never really tell why because it was so sporadic and such a violent reaction.
         
        01-02-2013, 09:42 PM
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    Originally Posted by Muppetgirl    
    Quick question.....what does he do when he pulls back in a regular nylon halter and it breaks virtually immediately..,..does he stop on the spot, does he run away??? Just curious.....because in one instance he responds correctly to pressure, and in another he fights the pressure.....I wonder what he would do with a rope around his middle and between his front legs hitched to a post and tied high and long with a neck strap on?? That way when he flips out and goes back the pressure is on the hitch rope and not his head.....but this is all theorizing.....I'm thinking he's switching off and switching on with an explosion....and this is just because of the unpredictability of his episodes....
    Has he had any injuries that you know of to his face or head? Even minor ones? Has he ever been kept behind an electric fence?
    When I witnessed him breaking his nylon halters with his previous owner, I thought he was just being an a** and had been able to get away with it. He would pull back just enough to make it snap, and then start grazing, looking for hay, that sort of thing. So the first thing I did when I got him was put him in a rope halter and began treating him as if he had never been tied. That seemed to take care of most of that problem except for these random episodes.

    I do not know of any head injuries. I have talked to his breeder and know that nothing occurred while he was in her care. She also said he had no tying problems when he was with her. He was often tied to her trailer because she used him as a barrel horse. He went through about 4 owners after they sold him however, so I do not know what happened during that 10 month period leading up to when his previous owner got him.

    When I saw him with his previous owner he looked just like a spoiled brat to me. I don't get that impression now however. As far as what he does now, I have not had him in a nylon halter since I bought him so I do not know what would happen if something were to break immediately. However, a few times he has snapped his lead rope and crashed backwards, and the fit continued for a few more seconds and then he got up like "my bad, I'm sorry. I'm cool now". People have told me before that I need to try and catch a video when he is going it but I am usually frozen. It's a horrifying thing to see. I am always afraid I am watching his last few moments, as melodramatic as that sounds.
         
        01-02-2013, 09:46 PM
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    I wonder if this is neurological? It almost sounds like he has a little seizure or stroke it's strange for a horse to throw itself backwards like that. I'd definitely start trying him where he can can loose if he has one of these attacks because he's going to fall on someone or kill himself. Your horse isn't impressive bred is he? I've heard of HYPP positive horses having crazy attacks. I'd definitely rule out neurological as best you can because if it is you don't want him flipping over on you when you ride him.
    He is not impressive bred. He is an appendix but his QH line is his sire Flaming Jet and his grandsire Jet Deck. My current vet actually knew Drifters original breeder (vet from our area who died while returning back from futurity in dallas) and once told me he had never seen Drifter behave that way in the 6 years they had owned him. He has no other neurological signs or symptoms. Once it is over, it is over. He will roll if let out, drink water, eat .. he acts as if nothing just happened and I am usually trying to calm my breathing down and push my heart back down into my chest from my throat.
         
        01-02-2013, 09:48 PM
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    Originally Posted by RustyBucket    
    The part that confuses me the most is that you mentioned he throws himself to the ground even when the rope isn't tight. That is very strange...To me it seems like something medical for sure. Perhaps his previous training has something to do with it in addition to the medical problem.
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    On those instances he would have pulled back for a split second and began freaking out .. but would move up essentially yielding to the pressure. But it would not cause him to quit freaking out. But I agree. That is also one of the big things that weirds me out in this situation
         

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