Making horse softer in the mouth - Page 2 - The Horse Forum

 27Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #11 of 28 Old 05-07-2013, 04:23 PM Thread Starter
Weanling
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 570
• Horses: 8
I'm using mouth pressure along with leg pressure to make her turn. I trained a pleasure horse last year but did not have this problem.

The Stables of Dreamin' Del Mar
kay56649 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #12 of 28 Old 05-07-2013, 04:33 PM
Weanling
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Whidbey Island Washington
Posts: 676
• Horses: 1
Personally, I prefer to teach the halt bareback. I can feel the instant they're responding, and they can feel the instant my body starts to say 'stop' rather than waiting for some larger sign from my body or feeling me in their mouth being the first warning. From the walk, first relax the seat, then pick up the rein. Generally after just a few times, they're stopped before you even get a chance to use the rein.
At faster gaits, I generally relax the upper body and grip with the upper thigh (to make sure I don't wind up sailing through the air) before using the rein. Once the horse is doing it really well bareback, they seem to feel the seat cues through the saddle better. Obviously, if you're not great at bareback, stick to the walk! Lol
nvr2many likes this.
calicokatt is offline  
post #13 of 28 Old 05-07-2013, 04:38 PM
Trained
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: East Central Illinois
Posts: 7,109
• Horses: 3
Have you considered a few sessions ground driving--with two 25 or 30 ft. Lunge lines with the lunge-lines through the stirrups and clipped to a regular Hamilton-type halter--in the round pen and teaching a really good whoa? I was watching a short series with a Mustang challenge horse and he maintained his whoa training throughout the 100 days. VERY impressive.

A Jack and Three Queens, the latest book by James C. Dedman, Amazon.com
Hope that you fall in love with "Trot", like I did! http://www.horseforum.com/general-of...queens-617793/
Corporal is offline  
post #14 of 28 Old 05-07-2013, 04:57 PM
Green Broke
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Oregon
Posts: 2,791
• Horses: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by beau159 View Post
I just want to "throw it out there" that using a snaffle may not always be the answer to getting a horse softer.

For example: Right now, to get this horse to stop, you must pull, pull, pull until she stops. You're having to use quite a bit of pressure to get that accomplished. However, what if you put something on her with a short shank? That would allow you to barely pick up the reins and BAM she stops instantly. Yes, you've moved onto a "harsher" bit, but really .... the harsher bit is actually softer, because you barely have to apply any pressure at all.

Just a thought, anyway. (Of course, the "harsher" bit has to be used correctly 100% of the time, or you will cause the horse to eventually ignore that too)

Another example: I rode my horse Red in a snaffle (mostly) all summer last year, trying to get him softer after I bought him. We didn't get as far as I wanted. So to get some help, I have him at a reining trainer. Guess what she's working him in right now:


And he's responding beautifully. Bending, flexing, and giving nicely.

So anyway, just wanted to say that a snaffle isn't always the answer.

^^^^ I cannot like this enough!
beau159 and jaydee like this.

Melinda
nvr2many is offline  
post #15 of 28 Old 05-07-2013, 05:15 PM
Showing
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Ontario
Posts: 17,193
• Horses: 0
Kay, using a snaffle, preferably a loose ring snaffle I will place my hands 8" apart and 4" off the neck just in front of the saddle and stroke the rein with my pinky. At the same time I will open my fingers on the other hand to release a bit of rein pressure. By stroking or tickling the rein the horse gets a very light sensation and will often respong. You are basically tickling her lip with the bit. If there's no response try tickling the rein in a rhythmic fashion. She won't turn a tight turn but you should get a response. When she does stop the ticklin and close the the other hand. Allow her to walk straight for a few strides and repeat. To assist her don't ask her to turn, (to the left) until her left foreleg is leaving the ground. As she begins to turn it will be easier for her to do the turn.
Saddlebag is offline  
post #16 of 28 Old 05-07-2013, 05:21 PM
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: CT USA an English transplant
Posts: 22,217
• Horses: 3
I know very little about western pleasure but from what I can tell the horses are ridden on a very long rein with light contact and not direct reined but turned with a mix of leg and neck rein cues, they are sometimes taught to 'spur stop' too rather than any contact with the mouth at all.
If this horse has been ridden in a 'sharp' bit to discourage her from leaning on a bit in the past - as they have to appear to be very light on the hands - then your snaffle isn't meaning anything to her at all and the more you pull on her the less feel she's going to have.
I honestly don't think she has a clue what you're asking her to do and needs going right back to basics - lunging to teach her voice cues to walk, trot and whoa and then long reining (drive lining) to teach her to turn by direct reining because she's behaving like a horse that's never been broke but doesn't mind having a rider on her back
I'm sure someone else can find you better videos because I don't know enough to critique this but this guy barely touches the reins at all, its all done with legs and body cues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tekbrzkqn-U
jaydee is offline  
post #17 of 28 Old 05-07-2013, 05:23 PM
Green Broke
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Alberta, Canada
Posts: 2,961
• Horses: 3
have you checked her teeth and saddle fit? Discomfort could cause the stiffness, there is a gelding on the farm that was getting a 'hard mouth'. He was ridden by an experienced rider with soft hands, and she wasn't sure where the problem was. It took me about 2 minutes to figure out he was bracing, and my first guess was pain. Sure enough, vet found sharp edges on his teeth. He had his teeth floated the year before. Now he's fine.

There is another mare on the farm that had a similar issue, it was poor saddle fit.

Aside from those, I love Clinton andersons 'cruise' exercise, and his advice to find a reasonably straight road or fence and just ride. Don't micro manage, just put them in a gait until they want to slow down, but don't let them until you feel like it. Then ask for a 'whoa' It wont take very long before the horse will screech to a halt as soon as you ask for it.
BlueSpark is offline  
post #18 of 28 Old 05-07-2013, 05:27 PM
Green Broke
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Alberta, Canada
Posts: 2,961
• Horses: 3
another quick note, I don't like martingales, although a running one is the least awful. I much prefer a horse learn to except contact and relax their neck into a natural position without unnaturally redirecting rein pressure.
BlueSpark is offline  
post #19 of 28 Old 05-07-2013, 06:39 PM
Foal
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 50
• Horses: 0
I feel the main problem is it sounds like you are trying to turn her and stop her purely using the reins. In fact by bumping her in the mouth constantly you will most likely create an even harder mouth (which I no you are aware of). What I would practice is really working on slowing your body and gently squeezing her into your reins with your leg, then only using a light squeeze on the outside rein which you can increase if she doesn't listen, however, she will soon get the idea. I feel the important thing is that you do not start a pulling war to try and stop her head if her body is just going to carry on pilling ahead. What you need to be doing is stopping her body with your body and using the rein as an almost back up. Whilst, I'm sure others could better explain this concept my point is I think she will become more light in the mouth from you using your reins less and body more.
Boo Walker likes this.
Flipper is offline  
post #20 of 28 Old 05-07-2013, 06:53 PM
Showing
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Cariboo, British Columbia
Posts: 11,480
• Horses: 3
If you are pulling, there's your problem, it's a lift and sounds like the mare is sensitive to that and not suffering fools. Lose the martingale and stop pulling, start flexing and learn how much calf pressure and where to apply to this mare's body to get her to respond. Unfortunately, if you already have got good at less than effective method of cuing a horse, it's hard to learn something else. Good luck.
beau159 and Boo Walker like this.
waresbear is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.



User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.


Old Thread Warning
This thread is more than 90 days old. When a thread is this old, it is often better to start a new thread rather than post to it. However, If you feel you have something of value to add to this particular thread, you can do so by checking the box below before submitting your post.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Making leather reins softer ILA247 Horse Tack and Equipment 6 01-14-2013 01:42 AM
How to get softer hands whilst cantering? SamBadger Horse Riding 9 06-28-2012 03:40 PM
Softer mouth? Lexiie Horse Training 8 03-25-2012 11:08 PM
Softer Seat Needed! ilyTango Horse Riding 1 04-08-2010 07:21 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome