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post #1 of 10 Old 12-17-2010, 12:23 AM Thread Starter
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Mare becomes pushy

I returned from college llast night, thank goodness for winter break! I went out to see Fria this morning, and tried to put her on cross ties. She has done this once daily for months, with breaks while im at school. Even when I come home, shes never really had a problem. She hasn't ever been difficult. Today, she was fine walking into the barn, but as soon as I stood her to hook up the crossties she would push me out of the way and walk off. She never went one certain way, sometimes towards the stalls, sometimes outside, and sometimes just turns and eats hay. Is this a lack of respect, or her just seeing what she could get away with. It took 20 minutes to get her hooked up. I walked and haulted constantly until we reached the ties, and stood, praise, and did it again, adding one tie at a time. She still tried to walk off once she was hooked up. Any suggestions?
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Was someone else getting her out while you were away at school? It sounds like someone taught her that she doesn't have to stand in the cross ties. I personally would carry a dressage whip with me, and once in the cross ties, just use it as a barrier. When she starts to push you out of the way, tap her on the chest, as light as you possibly can while still getting a response, hook her up, praise her, maybe do a quick groom, take her out, walk her around a bit, then repeat. Hopefully after a couple of times she'll remember that she's got to stay when you tell her to stay.
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a lack of respect and just seeeing what she can get away with are one and the same thing. And that sounds like a good description of your horse. I would definitely do as DressageBelle said. A horse that "pushes" me out of it's way will not be tolerated.
You may want to be more straightforward it asking her to clip into the ties. If you know that she knows this, is not afraid and will not rear back, then just take her in and get the clip on. Work briskly and purposefully, but not scared. Sometimes when we go so slow and carefully the horse ends up not realizing that there is a purpose to what we are doing and they fill in what they think is an empty spot.
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That's my question. While your away who takes care of her? I would make sure that person knows not to let her do that. Bad Habit!
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She was sent to a farm to have her ground manners refined about a month ago, but I don't think anyone has done anything with her since. She does fine being led after being there, but her patience went down the drain. the "trainer" also said that when she acted up they put her back in the stall to cool dowwn, and tried again later. Maybe she thinks if shes bad she doesn't have to do it?
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Good thought, cuz that's probably what she's learning! Better to not put her back where she wants and maybe tie her somewhere she isn't so comfortable. ?
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Well there's the problem. She learned the very bad habit of acting up so that people don't work with her, and leave her alone. You need to nip it in the bud before she becomes aggressive about it, starts doing it under saddle, ect. Since she already knows that she should know to stand in the cross ties, it shouldn't take long to remind her that acting up does nothing more than make her work harder.
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I returned from college llast night, thank goodness for winter break! I went out to see Fria this morning, and tried to put her on cross ties. She has done this once daily for months, with breaks while im at school. Even when I come home, shes never really had a problem. She hasn't ever been difficult. Today, she was fine walking into the barn, but as soon as I stood her to hook up the crossties she would push me out of the way and walk off. She never went one certain way, sometimes towards the stalls, sometimes outside, and sometimes just turns and eats hay. Is this a lack of respect, or her just seeing what she could get away with. It took 20 minutes to get her hooked up. I walked and haulted constantly until we reached the ties, and stood, praise, and did it again, adding one tie at a time. She still tried to walk off once she was hooked up. Any suggestions?
Silly mare. When was the last time she was handled? has anyone else worked with her? You know horses are horses, just like most mamals(2 m's??) we work with, she is going to test you. It doesnt matter how much you handle her sometimes, or it might be that someone else who worked with her, let her get away with to much, so she's associated that being a brat is ok.
You have to re-assert yourself and let her know that NO, its not ok to be pushy and not do what you're told. My theory with my horses has always been, that they spend 23 hours of their day out in pasture goofing around and I only ask 1 hour of their day to spend some quality time either with me or working.

I've only use a crop or whip during ground handling with draft crosses because of their size as weanlings and they are very pushy.

If she is normally good, it shouldn't take to long to bring her back and remind her that she can't push you around. Make sure you correct her the instant she moves or pushes or does anything she shouldn't do. She might just be worst because she had a break, unless somene else worked with her and let her get away with it(in which case I would have that person work with you, to show them what they should do to handle her properly).
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Thanks for your advice! I am doing a two week session with her where I will only do ground work and lunging to get her mind back where it should be. I think the "training" was more like vacation, and she doesn't want to be back in work mode. She danced around during bridling, and so I have a feeling she was taught horrible manners while I was away.
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Is this a lack of respect, or her just seeing what she could get away with.
Both, and you let her get away with it, so now she thinks she is the boss over you. She was testing and she was proved right.

I would suggest that you need a new training place for her, not one that would beat her, but one that would show her that she is not the boss.
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