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    12-06-2012, 09:41 PM
  #11
Foal
I think it's hurting her mouth somehow, she has a shallow pallet. So I think she tosses her head because she really doesn't like it. We are just going to have a vet come check her teeth and mouth and see if there is anything he sees that could be causing pain. She just keeps acting like its hurting, not that she doesn't understand.
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    12-06-2012, 09:42 PM
  #12
Foal
After the vet checks her and if nothings wrong, I might just try leaving it on and seeing what happens, good idea.
     
    12-06-2012, 10:04 PM
  #13
Foal
Sounds like a mouth issue to me, especially since you said she is unhappy with it in all the time, not just when she is ridden. Having the doctor/dentist come out is a good idea.

Also, they are right, a thinner bit is a harsher bit. It's like a thick rope pulling you around versus a thin one, the thicker one is more comfortable. I do wonder though, if you are using the regular jointed snaffle and you say she has a shallow pallet, is it perhaps hitting the roof of her mouth? Have you tried a french link or dr.bristol? Maybe check the size of the bit as well.
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    12-06-2012, 10:33 PM
  #14
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Originally Posted by HorseGirlie    
First off there is no need to be rude. The mouth tie is'nt mean she can still open her mouth half way, just wanted to try it because I see a lot of people try it and her previous trainers told me to try it. And of course I don't let it hit her teeth! I have tought her to put her head down but now she just won't do it. Her ground manners are good. I used the same bit I rode her in when we got her, still doesn't like it. Its the same one you have in the pic and that one she hates the most. No I'm not an equine dentist or a "bit" expert, but I'm not ignorant, I do know some things about this stuff. She has had her teeth done before but I just think its time to do it again. I know all about cues, and pressure and all that. So not to sound rude but, it's not me, I have had trainers watch me ride her and they said it wasn't me. So thanks but I don't think that's it. Also whether im rideing her or not she hates the bit. As for the "happy mouth", what is that?
I'm going to wander in and say that I thought beau159 wasn't rude at all but actually went to a lot of effort to give you a full and well thought-out answer.

If you look up Happy Mouth Bit on google you'll find loads of information about them.
     
    12-07-2012, 11:10 AM
  #15
Foal
Another option might be a bosal or a Bitleas Bridle
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    12-07-2012, 11:11 AM
  #16
Foal
Sorry - Bitless Bridle
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    12-07-2012, 01:23 PM
  #17
Foal
I'm going to to have to agree with Beau159. I don't believe she was being rude, just straight forward.

Only difference is I would suggest starting in a french-link snaffle.

I agree that you need a specialist to take care of teeth issues. There are many things that an untrained eye can miss especially without being able to get a good look all the way inside the mouth.

I would also check for other issues. Bridle fit, are there any stitches sticking out of the bridle that could be poking her or even her saddle fit could be off.

Also, ANY bit in the wrong hands can be harsh on the horses mouth. I watched an uneducated rider (where I used to board) slam her sensitive mare's mouth over and over until the mare was flinging her head so far back as to nearly hit her rider in the face. The mare had a plain medium width snaffle in her mouth. Coach's solution? Strap her down with a martingale... needless to say this turned to bucking and bolting.

Sometimes words can only tell so much of the story. I think it would very helpful to get a video of the entire process of bridling and riding.
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    12-07-2012, 01:25 PM
  #18
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Originally Posted by HorseGirlie    
First off there is no need to be rude.
Rude? I don't see how any of what I said was rude, except the mouth tie comment. Which, IMO, if you are forceably just trying to hold your horse's mouth shut with a device, you are simply ignoring what may truly be the problem.

You came on here asking for help, and I'm trying to help. Take it or leave it. I think it may be wise for you to read the excellent post MH just posted yesterday: Accepting criticism, ideas and the reality that your way is not the only way.



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Originally Posted by HorseGirlie    
mouth tie is'nt mean she can still open her mouth half way, just wanted to try it because I see a lot of people try it and her previous trainers told me to try it.
Doesn't matter because the core idea is that you are using a tool to mask the problem (forcably holding her mouth closed) instead of figuring out WHY she is having a bit issue in the first place and WHY she is wanting to open her mouth.

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Originally Posted by HorseGirlie    
And of course I don't let it hit her teeth!
Whoa, calm down. I ask that of everyone whenever there is a bit issue because you wouldn't believe how many people don't realize they are doing it by accident. I don't know what you are doing with your horse unless I ask. Don't get defensive.


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Originally Posted by HorseGirlie    
I have tought her to put her head down but now she just won't do it. Her ground manners are good.
To me, these two sentences contradict each other. If her ground manners are indeed good, she should do everything willingly, including dropping her head (provided there is not a pain issue when checked by the chiro and the dentist and the vet).

How do you ask her to put her head down and what does she do in response?


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Originally Posted by HorseGirlie    
No I'm not an equine dentist or a "bit" expert, but I'm not ignorant, I do know some things about this stuff. She has had her teeth done before but I just think its time to do it again.
My point was: But you are not a vet, and not specialized in training for equine dentistry. In your OP you had said "And I don't think it's her teeth because I looked in her mouth, no sores or anything, we are going to get her teeth rasped, but they aren't bad enought to cause any problems." and I am saying that you can't know if they are bad enough to cause problems unless you sedated her and searched the inside of her mouth, and unless you are an equine dentist.

I wouldn't look inside my husband's mouth and determine if he has a dental issue. I'm not a dentist.


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Originally Posted by HorseGirlie    
I know all about cues, and pressure and all that. So not to sound rude but, it's not me, I have had trainers watch me ride her and they said it wasn't me. So thanks but I don't think that's it.
Well we don't know that. We've never seen you or never talked to you on these boards. So it's not to be rude when I ask or when I explain things, but simply to ask and find out. Again, it's surprising how many people don't know, and don't know that they don't know.


I think it is best to wait until the dentist looks at her to determine if there is any underlynig problems, before we progress further.
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    12-07-2012, 02:15 PM
  #19
Foal
I just tried writing a long reply but my computer froze and I lost it. I don't want to try and type it all again. So long story short. Sorry if I sounded rude, I respect your opinion but won't always agree, I'm getting her teeth looked at and if it doesn't help I will post a video so we can try to figure this out. Thanks
     
    12-07-2012, 02:36 PM
  #20
Foal
Even softer than a happy mouth would be a leather bit.

It would be soft enough to use while retraining this mare (after all pain issues have been checked out, of course).

I had somebody make one for me but she's been unavailable for a while, however, supposedly Bedford Tack in Tennessee can also make leather bits.

I don't have a photo of the bit itself but this my mare wearing it. It's just a strip of soft harness/bridle leather sewn onto bit rings.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...aceyVaq1-1.jpg
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