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post #21 of 88 Old 12-07-2012, 04:52 PM Thread Starter
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That's a good idea. Your horse really pretty, btw.

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I've always been told that the point of the metal bit is so the horse can feel the vibrations in it's mouth, so if you have a "happy mouth bit" or a leather bit, the purpose of the bit is lost..
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Have somebody with experience watch you and critique your riding. Make sure you aren't ready heavyhanded. And Ride with your legs more, and less hands.
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Sorry, double post.

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post #25 of 88 Old 12-07-2012, 07:57 PM
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That's a good idea. Your horse really pretty, btw.
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I've always been told that the point of the metal bit is so the horse can feel the vibrations in it's mouth, so if you have a "happy mouth bit" or a leather bit, the purpose of the bit is lost..
The horse's mouth is highly sensitive. He can probably feel a piece of string.
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Native Americans didn't use metal bits
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post #27 of 88 Old 12-07-2012, 08:37 PM
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The horse's mouth is highly sensitive. He can probably feel a piece of string.
Yes, he could feel it, but bits are about more than just feeling a pull. Bits are about providing a subtlety and a clarity of cues that other means of control just don't have. You can use pretty much anything to drag a horse's head around by the reins, but with a bit, you can pick up some of the slack out of a rein and get the desired response where with some other options, the horse wouldn't even feel the difference.

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Native Americans didn't use metal bits
Yes, they did, if they happened to have access to one. For those that didn't, the most common form of controlling the horse was a "war bridle" which was really nothing more than a thin strap of cord or sinew tied around the horse's lower jaw and through their mouth on top of their tongue. Used improperly, that has the ability to be incredibly harsh. You can do a google search for "indian horse war bridle" and find old pictures of actual native americans riding with just such a headstall.

Plus, the Native Americans weren't the supremely kind and understanding horsemen that people like the Pony Boy guy and disney movies would like folks to believe. Their training methods were abrupt and sometimes cruel, really not too much different from the cowboys in those days. The reason for that is they needed results as quickly as possible, they didn't have time to play with a horse in a round pen for 60 days before they tried to ride it, they had to get their horses broke quickly and get them suitable for war so that they would be safe to ride into raids and hunting buffalo.

Anyway, back to the OP. Step one is to have her checked by a dentist/vet to make sure her teeth are okay and there's nothing in her mouth that could be causing her pain.

Also, I didn't see anywhere that you described the bit that they used on her at the rescue when you rode her and got along well. Maybe you did and I just skimmed over it. What type of bit was it? If you don't know how to describe it, you can do a websearch for pictures of all kinds of horse bits and you can probably find one that looks similar.

Do you have a picture of her in the bit you're currently using? Though I agree with others that a thin twisted bit is one of the very worst options to try because even if there hadn't been trouble before, one of those used even a little bit wrong can cause some big trouble.

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Yes, he could feel it, but bits are about more than just feeling a pull. Bits are about providing a subtlety and a clarity of cues that other means of control just don't have. You can use pretty much anything to drag a horse's head around by the reins, but with a bit, you can pick up some of the slack out of a rein and get the desired response where with some other options, the horse wouldn't even feel the difference.

That was kind of my point. You don't need metal to convey your aids to the horse.

Sure, with a mullen mouth bit you cues may be a little less clear and precise but for a horse who needs to be retrained to accept the bit, especially in the case of one who has apprehension due to pain, this might be a good starting point.
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I've "liked" a few posts that I agree with. Just want to add:
I would try a french link in D rings - milder than a snaffle in O rings.
I would check headstall fit.
I would check bit length.

Also remember that even though she seems to be doing this for every rider, if just ONE of those riders is causing pain, that pain will carry through to every other rider's experience. Limit your horse to only one rider until this is resolved.
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post #30 of 88 Old 12-08-2012, 03:09 AM
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That was kind of my point. You don't need metal to convey your aids to the horse.

Sure, with a mullen mouth bit you cues may be a little less clear and precise but for a horse who needs to be retrained to accept the bit, especially in the case of one who has apprehension due to pain, this might be a good starting point.
I think his point and mine was that bits are not meant to pull a horse's face around. It is meant for them to feel the vibrations from the elastic connection between the rider's hand and the horse's mouth. Leather bits cannot have these vibrations.
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