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        11-19-2012, 07:39 PM
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    This is not all that uncommon. I had a spoiled horse in to retrain several years ago. I used a soft leg to ask her to move and she laid her ears back and switched her tail. I was wearing spurs so I pressed a spur into her side and she cow-kicked my foot so hard and hung her toe on my spur that she nearly broke my foot. She never did it again! She found out that was not a good idea.

    Anything you accept (like her kicking at your foot) is exactly what you are teaching her to do. It is just as sure as if that was your object in the first place. If you do not interrupt unacceptable behavior and scold or punish a horse in some way for the behavior, it will happen again but probably with more force and more serious consequences.

    Just like a horse should be reprimanded for kicking at a person that is tightening a girth or brushing its belly, it should be reprimanded for any aggressive action while a rider is mounted. You should set firm but fair boundaries and and be 100% consistent in how you enforce them. Not only does that make the horse a 'better trained horse' but it keeps one happy and it keeps its riders and handlers safer.
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        11-19-2012, 08:17 PM
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    This is not all that uncommon. I had a spoiled horse in to retrain several years ago. I used a soft leg to ask her to move and she laid her ears back and switched her tail. I was wearing spurs so I pressed a spur into her side and she cow-kicked my foot so hard and hung her toe on my spur that she nearly broke my foot. She never did it again! She found out that was not a good idea.

    Anything you accept (like her kicking at your foot) is exactly what you are teaching her to do. It is just as sure as if that was your object in the first place. If you do not interrupt unacceptable behavior and scold or punish a horse in some way for the behavior, it will happen again but probably with more force and more serious consequences.

    Just like a horse should be reprimanded for kicking at a person that is tightening a girth or brushing its belly, it should be reprimanded for any aggressive action while a rider is mounted. You should set firm but fair boundaries and and be 100% consistent in how you enforce them. Not only does that make the horse a 'better trained horse' but it keeps one happy and it keeps its riders and handlers safer.
    I absolutely agree with you she and she is a bit spoiled. Like I said she's been a pasture pet for a few years and so she hasn't really had to work hard till recently. When she used to cow kick my hand I'd smack her with the whip. And give her praise when she'd accept my hands being there. It took some work but I got her to quit that but now I guess she thinks she can so that when were in the saddle. She doesn't pin her ears much when this happens though she does tail swish some. I sometimes find myself at a loss correcting her with a whip though. Whips escalate her behavior she can turn into a hateful bugger bear pretty fast. I'm not afraid to correct her (or any horse) with the whip but when she gets hateful she won't always let it go she will get worse. So usually I move her feet to get her to act right. Getting her to submit this way goes much better and keeps her attitude in check. Her attitude has greatly improved we are communicating so much better I finally feeling like I'm starting to understand the way she thinks. This foot kicking thing just sorta started one day. If the whip makes things worse when she kicks my foot what do you think I should do from the saddle to correct her? She thinks differently then any other horse I've had before I've learned a lot from her she is making me a better horse trainer and horsewoman. You guys on the horse forum have helped me out a lot by the way I really appreciate it .
         
        11-19-2012, 09:04 PM
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    Well, I hate whips. I very seldom ever pick one up. I have not even had a riding crop or whip for at least 5 or 6 years. I keep a 5' stock whip around but seldom pick it up either. If I do, it usually has a plastic sack tied to the end of it.

    If a horse gets mad at a whip (one of the reasons I hate them) it is because the handler / rider just 'pecks' at the horse with it. Anyway, whips make things worse instead of better many times.

    I use the long ends of my split harness leather reins. I will spank a horse's butt with an 'over and under' action and do it hard. I have never had a horse require more than one reprimand if I did it hard enough the first time.

    Nagging and pecking and swatting a horse is the worst thing one can do. They just get mad and more spoiled. If I ever have to get after a horse, I want him to think that he is lucky to be alive. Then, I do not praise him or do anything else. I just ride on like absolutely nothing happened at all. I've never had to discipline one twice if I did it right the first time.
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        11-19-2012, 09:18 PM
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    Whack the heck out of her with the end of your rein and then work her. You decide when to quit, she doesn't. She's throwing a temper tantrum and it needs to quit before she hurts someone.
         
        11-19-2012, 09:23 PM
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    Well, I hate whips. I very seldom ever pick one up. I have not even had a riding crop or whip for at least 5 or 6 years. I keep a 5' stock whip around but seldom pick it up either. If I do, it usually has a plastic sack tied to the end of it.

    If a horse gets mad at a whip (one of the reasons I hate them) it is because the handler / rider just 'pecks' at the horse with it. Anyway, whips make things worse instead of better many times.

    I use the long ends of my split harness leather reins. I will spank a horse's butt with an 'over and under' action and do it hard. I have never had a horse require more than one reprimand if I did it hard enough the first time.

    Nagging and pecking and swatting a horse is the worst thing one can do. They just get mad and more spoiled. If I ever have to get after a horse, I want him to think that he is lucky to be alive. Then, I do not praise him or do anything else. I just ride on like absolutely nothing happened at all. I've never had to discipline one twice if I did it right the first time.
    Yeah I'm also not a big fan of whips either. I seldom carry one as well. And like I said using a whip is pretty pointless with her. So I think I'll break out the split reins and smack her hiney good next time she does this. She definitely needs to straighten up. She's had several attitude adjustments over the past couple of months, looks like she needs another . Thank you Cherie! One of these days when I'm in southern Oklahoma I'd love to meet you. I feel like I'd learn so much more about training if I could talk to you for a bit. Wish I lived closer to you but I'm in eastern Oklahoma.
         
        11-19-2012, 09:27 PM
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    Whack the heck out of her with the end of your rein and then work her. You decide when to quit, she doesn't. She's throwing a temper tantrum and it needs to quit before she hurts someone.
    I don't disagree with you. I just wanted to see if I was doing something wrong or if she is just needed an attitude adjustment. I'd just never had it happen before so I wanted to see if it was a training issue on my part .
         
        11-19-2012, 09:33 PM
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    This is curious so I have a question. Does she back well? I'm asking because my first instinct to this problem would be to put those feet in motion and back the heck out of her for a good 10 minutes.
         
        11-19-2012, 10:00 PM
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    Does she know the cues? I doubt she's confused, sounds more like a tantrum, but it won't hurt to go over them again. When a mare I was working with started kicking I added verbal commands to the ground work. When pressure was applied with the verbal cue I could avoid using a whip or hitting her.
         
        11-19-2012, 10:07 PM
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    This is curious so I have a question. Does she back well? I'm asking because my first instinct to this problem would be to put those feet in motion and back the heck out of her for a good 10 minutes.
    Yes she backs excellently, little leg pressure and rein pressure you can back her up as much as needed. She handles great as far a flexing and turning and changing direction. Leg pressure and direct or indirect rein moves her body. More often than anything it's forward she tries to be a snot about. When she kicks me she's protesting the forward motion. She doesn't want to change speed or she doesn't want to leave the horses things like that is what's getting my feet kicked at.
         
        11-19-2012, 10:08 PM
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    I'd have the mare checked for ulcers. She could be reacting to the pain from the pressure of your heels.
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