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    09-08-2008, 04:11 PM
  #1
Foal
Maybe I'm just tired of my rider....

A friend of mine cornered me the other day, wanted to know if I want a free horse...... OK, so I started to ask.

It's his uncles horse - a mare. Unkown age, but "not too old", assuming 3-6. Unkown breed. Reason for sale - horse bucks everyone off, has caused a broken ankle, a concusion, and numewrous bumps and scrapes.

Now my buddy has attempeted to ride her, so I inquired some more....

The horse has no problem taking a bit (kind??), doesn't mind it. Has no prblem with a saddle or having it tightened down. Has no problem with people being around, doesn't mind you walking behind her. Does NOT mind a rider - if she is being led around - will walk on a lead for "a good while with no problems". If the lead is removed, she does fine. She will respond to the bit with no problems, she will ride no problems - for a while. With no inputs (pressure from legs, heels, bit) she will start to "jog and hop" and then buck her rider off, as if she's tired of the rider.

Prior training is unkown, yada yada - basicly you know as much as I do right now.

WELL, mindless to say - I'm not accepting anymore free horses.... :roll: but seriously, the owner wants to send her off to slaughter. (See how I always walk into these!) Well, I comprimised with him, I told him that I would come over to see if I can assist in anyway before he does anything rash.

Here's my thoughts, I want to spend some time with ground work on this animal, and see what she knows / doesn't know. I want to also put her on a lunge - and work work work for a few days. Then, put her on a lunge with just a saddle on and bit in her mouth and work work work for a few days.

OK - at this point I would like input, after phase 2, I would like to saddle her up and put a weight on her (sandbag??) to simulate a rider, without endangering a human again. Then, work work work. This will also tell me if the weight oif the rider is causing her pain (indicating another problem(s)) OR if the past riders are doing something wrong. I am unsure if this is a horse health problem, or training, or operator error, ect. In any case, by gradualy adding different factors (bit, saddle, "rider") I may be able to determine where the problem lies.

Are we on the right track?

OK, I'll take ALL the input I can!!!
     
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    09-08-2008, 04:20 PM
  #2
Weanling
Poor horse, and it's really good of you to try and help so the horse doesn't end up in the slaughterhouse.

To me, it sounds like a saddle fit/health issue. If she's fine with the bit, fine being tacked up and fine being ridden for a little while, it seems to me like she's just tolerating her discomfort and then just getting fed up and wanting that rider OFF. You're smart to approach her from the ground up; I'll be curious to hear what you discover.
     
    09-08-2008, 05:27 PM
  #3
Foal
I agree with Missy & your train of thought. My other thought.... what are the riders trying to do with her? More then she knows? Asking to much? Maybe the horse is unsure & hasn't had much training/bonding with anyone or any person before & just lacks major trust & the only thing she knows is get that rider off when we are one on one? History is unknown ~ maybe she has had a rough (and short) past that has affected her in some way shape or form. Best of luck & will be anxious to see how you make out!
     
    09-08-2008, 05:31 PM
  #4
Showing
Sounds like your on the right track. Start at 0 and go from there. Maybe she has gotten out of work every time she bucked someone off. I think the sandbag weights are a good idea. I have a friend who uses a "dummy" made with sandbag legs that is always the first rider on her new horses. He is complete with cowboy hat and boots
     
    09-09-2008, 04:55 AM
  #5
Foal
Vida - good thinking! Now I just gotta find an old pair of pants, sew the bottoms up, and fill em up with sand....a cardboard/styro body and make a perty head (and hat of corse!)

Now just to figure out how to work that &#%$@& sewing machine! :roll:

Ya, as far as priors, I have no clue. The only thing I do know is that there is no constant. The first time there was an "incident" it was after about 5 minutes. The next was after 20 or so. The next was almost immediate, and the most recent was about 10-15. Nothing has been corrilated (ie use of the bit, or pressure from legs or heels, or going by a scray place).

OK, Im going to go get beet up by the sewing machine...Let's keep the ideas a flowing!

Thanx all!
     
    09-09-2008, 09:21 AM
  #6
Foal
Is there anything wrong with the horse? Abscess on the feet? Leg issues. Back pain. Something on the saddle poking it's back? Something like that

This on girl I used to know had a horse kept throwing her off and my friend went to help her with the problem thinking it might have needed more training or something and my friend went to pick the horses feet and discovered the hooves had so many abscess my friend told the girl basically that she wasn't going to get on this horses back untill his feet were taken care of.. Even advised her to soak his feet in warn watter & epson salt (<sp?) and put umm I can't think of what it's called its red and it stains you skin, cloths, or w/e it gets on lol (something real easy to remember but I can't think of it) on his feet... any how long story short the girl didn't wanna do all that ended up slling the horse saying he was bomb proof some lady bought it for he duaghter and the lil girl ended up in the hospital... (wow I managed to get off topic sry)

This might not be the case LOL i'm not a horse trainer or anything but maybe the horse has some pain somewhere? Lol
Probably didn't help at all but just thought I might say all that..
     
    09-09-2008, 10:14 AM
  #7
Green Broke
Sounds like she's either become aware of the idea that bucking someone off = no work or she's hurting somewhere.

Is she sore on her back? Take your first finger and thumb, press down starting at the withers and work your way towards her hips. If she dips/moves/is uncomfortable, there is pain in there somewhere. :)

Sounds like you are on the right track, though. Hope it all goes well.
     
    09-09-2008, 11:48 AM
  #8
Trained
I like the ground up approach you are talking about. It the horse is between 3-6yo she may not know what is expected of her. Twister has a tendancy to buck when he is going into a canter if the rider is not fully in control of his head. He is just spazzy like that. Its a behavior you can see in the field too. He gets happy and gets to going into a faster trot then will fart and buck when he begins cantering. Twister is about 7...and he hasn't had a lot of saddle time. BUT...if you work Twister and get him settled down..he's fine and won't buck again. He's rank if you just jump on and run. There have been large gaps in his training. I would suggest when you are ready to get in the saddle...keep her at a walk. Work each pace slowly so that she knows what is expected of her.
     
    09-09-2008, 01:25 PM
  #9
Weanling
I agree that your going about the right way. But make sure you don't put so much sand in them pants that you can't pick it up. Also you can make the dummy ride bareback, maybe help rule out any saddle problems??

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Originally Posted by Dvine
Is there anything wrong with the horse? Abscess on the feet? Leg issues. Back pain. Something on the saddle poking it's back? Something like that

This on girl I used to know had a horse kept throwing her off and my friend went to help her with the problem thinking it might have needed more training or something and my friend went to pick the horses feet and discovered the hooves had so many abscess my friend told the girl basically that she wasn't going to get on this horses back untill his feet were taken care of.. Even advised her to soak his feet in warn watter & epson salt (<sp?) and put umm I can't think of what it's called its red and it stains you skin, cloths, or w/e it gets on lol (something real easy to remember but I can't think of it) on his feet... any how long story short the girl didn't wanna do all that ended up slling the horse saying he was bomb proof some lady bought it for he duaghter and the lil girl ended up in the hospital... (wow I managed to get off topic sry)

This might not be the case LOL i'm not a horse trainer or anything but maybe the horse has some pain somewhere? Lol
Probably didn't help at all but just thought I might say all that..
Iodine??
     

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