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        08-19-2012, 06:28 PM
      #11
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
    I have never heard of anyone using a mechanical hackamore to start a colt?




    I like that- "denying yourself knowledge", I must remember that :)

    He actually started her in the bosal but instead of moving up to the 2 rein or snaffle, he just went to a mechanical hack and I don't use those. No particular prejudice about them, but I'm not familiar and don't use 'em, so I prefer going to a snaffle for a little while and then 2 rein and then full bridle.
         
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        08-19-2012, 07:01 PM
      #12
    Green Broke
    ^^ ok, I see.

    That is tough when you primarily start colts that way(without a snaffle). I may do a first few rides in the halter but eventually ride in a snaffle. You need to accomodate your customer to some degree. I knew guys that primarily rode in a single rig saddle then when started riding colts for the general public. They either had to sell their single rigs to buy a double or buy and an extra saddle that was double rigged because the colts would go back home being used to a single and not used to a back cinch...whoops...
         
        08-19-2012, 09:47 PM
      #13
    Yearling
    I'm with you. From every teacher I've found some things to agree with, some to disagree with, some things that I might try with my horses and others I may not. Some things seem like they'd work but don't, and some might not work now but may get revisited later on. The techniques I use are always changing as new ones are added and some others are discarded. I've found that it can be easy at times to fall into 'guru worship'. I've gone through phases like that myself where I was really into Clinton, or Buck or Chris Cox, Martin Black, Richard Caldwell or George Morris. That's why I think it's important to let the horse be your true test of what works. I can't use any of those guys' methods. I can only use my interpretation of their method, which in fact makes it my method. Ultimately, the one whose judgment is responsible for the outcome is mine!
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        08-19-2012, 09:58 PM
      #14
    Started
    With my personal horses, my goal is to end up in the spade. That, to me, is the epitomy of good western horsemanship. Almost total communication through seat and legs and get the work done with a whole lot of class.

    But... having a purist attitude does not put potatoes on the table, and I'm a mom. So, I ride in whatever the person signing the check wants. And if they don't have an opinion I start small and work up.

    I ride for some in a bitless bridle, others hand me a tom thumb to get a day's work done, Mona Lisa mouthpieces seem popular, a whole variety of cricketed whatchamajiggers, I could not care less.

    I ride for some on ranches in a forward seat saddle (Enlish jumping) because I don't want to rope with people I deem reckless. I often through a western saddle on polo ponies when they are green and fresh.

    I mainly try to stay out of the horses' ways, because horses know how to move and it's my job to work with what they know and build on that.
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        08-20-2012, 10:36 AM
      #15
    Started
    I have been to a few CA events. I am not a devout follower, but I like what I have learned.

    As for your question regarding those who say "this is the ONLY way to do this", CA puts it this way. If you are baking a cake, you have to follow the recipe to get the results. A lot of people who watch CA are looking for their horse to be Mindy, his beautiful mare, or Diaz. If you want that he is giving you to recipe for that. If you follow his methods, his methods are recipes for the result. If you deviate from the recipe, you might not get the result you want.

    The problem for me is that maybe I do not want a "cake". Perhaps I would like a "pie" or a "muffin" result from my horse. I will have to find another recipe. There are also many different ways you can bake a "cake". Some recipes have variations depending on what you want. You just have to find the right recipe for what you want.
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        08-20-2012, 12:22 PM
      #16
    Showing
    Chick, I love this post! I think everyone is guilty of being a "purist" occasionally. I, like you, have found that I seem to hold tighter when some other purist comes gallivanting around spouting questionable opinions as undeniable facts LOL. That's why I usually try to keep my posts open by using the phrases "some horses", "many riders", "often", and "occasionally". That way, I can still get my point across, but without sounding like some fanatical nutjob that goes around screaming "this is always right", "that's never wrong", "this always works", "that never fails", etc.

    Generally speaking, I think pretty much everyone has their "go-to" methods that they are most comfortable with so those are the methods that they try first. The difference between a bad horseman and a good horseman is what they do when it becomes obvious that those methods aren't working. So many people just get frustrated and end up trying the exact same methods...only more forcefully, which definitely doesn't work.

    IMHO, one of the marks of a good horseman is someone who can effortlessly switch and integrate countless different methods into one that will work for that particular horse. Some of those clinician methods can work great, if you get the right kind of horse, but they are still cookie cutter methods and if you happen to want to try a different shape, then they either just don't do it or their other DVD costs megabucks.

    Heck, in my pasture, I have 2 different horses that require 2 completely different methods of handling/training. Rafe, I have to push and demand. If I don't, he gets pushy and demanding himself. On the opposite end of the spectrum is Pokey, I can't push him at all. If I were to try, he would hurt either himself or, more likely, me...not out of malice, but out of fear. If one of those cookie cutter people tried to handle either of them the wrong way, they would have a "dangerous" horse on their hands very quickly.
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