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post #101 of 158 Old 04-25-2012, 11:25 AM
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The thing that bothered me is that there was malice in the actions of the girl and that she had lost her temper, never a successful approach for training. If a bat is the only tool available at the time, there are other ways that it could have been used, in a cool, calm, collected manner. Would have been far more effective too.

Don't get me wrong, what I saw disturbed me, but I don't think it constitutes abuse. Abuse is defined as intentionally inflicting pain (which she did) beyond necessity for normal dicipline (herein lies the possiblity for interpretation).
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post #102 of 158 Old 04-25-2012, 11:28 AM
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Not hard at all - you just have to always do what the horse wants
Ahhhh..... That is my mistake.
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post #103 of 158 Old 04-25-2012, 11:29 AM
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I naver have had to use a whip either and itrain a lot of horses..
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Hmmm - I seem to recall mention of use of a whip and using "a lot of force" in a recent post regarding lunging.
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post #104 of 158 Old 04-25-2012, 11:31 AM
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Curious, if you stopped coming to this forum how did you come to be posting in this thread????


I went to the Midwest Horse Fair, and a friend who still posts here showed me this thread, asking if I had seen the lady loading the horse.

Sated?

I love how you assume I always do what my horse wants. Curious; How did you come to THAT conclusion?

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post #105 of 158 Old 04-25-2012, 11:33 AM
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^^ What does "sated" mean?

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post #107 of 158 Old 04-25-2012, 11:35 AM
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^^ What does "sated" mean?
Let me google that for you
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post #108 of 158 Old 04-25-2012, 11:39 AM
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Well I sure have used a whip.

I always had one in the middle of my round pen to snap at the horse to keep them moving.
When my Gus got alil barn sour after someone else had ridden him I brought a training whip. He straighten right out. Didn't really use it.
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post #109 of 158 Old 04-25-2012, 11:40 AM
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It is not slander. Slander is the spoken word that is untrue. I believe the video speaks for itself. I don't know the law in the state it was taken in, or even what state it was in (WI?) but here, you can take anyone's video you want, as long as you are on public property (THEY don't even have to be on public property, I could stand in the street in front of your house and videotape you). And if the video were breaking laws, it would have been removed from Youtube (if the trainer tried to, which you can probably say she has... probably).

Unless you were there, you do not know the state of mind of the horse. Saying definitely "it wasn't afraid, it was stubborn" is absolutely idiotic. And just because you post a picture of another horse who was abused and starved, does not mean that something else is NOT abuse. Finding something worse, does not make what this person did "less bad", it is only ways to justify what they did.

The trainer made a poor choice. Most people have lost their temper at some point, this trainer made the poor choice to do so in public, and in a physical way to an animal... and now has to face those consequences.

Also, the justification that the horse reared and flipped on somebody, so let's go out behind the trailer and who cares how we treat it? Irresponsible. Horses who rear, and flip, are almost always doing so in reaction to pain or fear, so let's go cause some more pain and fear. The best mirror for a trainer (or any rider) is their own horses.

This one, and those around her, are probably not liking what they see right now.
There are 2 kinds of slander theres verbal but also Libel where one writes tapes or records one with intent to harm. The one who took this video tape should be held liable as much as the trainer and If I was the trainer I would sue the one video taping and claiming ABUSE.
If I was at that show and saw what I saw I would of stepped up to the lady and say okay wait lets take a breath this isnt working. Let the horse and trainer calm down and then apraoch it differently. Ya maybe the trainer would snap at you But she is frustrated probably tired and with a bunch a kids already stressed to the max. Someone needed to step up and say BREAK!! Step back and breath a bit. But no No one did a thing except video and accuse to me that's PATHETIC period.
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post #110 of 158 Old 04-25-2012, 11:41 AM
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How would you have detained someone without using violence yourself?
Trust me..... I would....
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