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        09-15-2008, 10:03 AM
      #11
    Weanling
    Hey there! Yeh I have very rarely come across somebody that lives here in the uk! Hehe

    Shame you don't know of soembody that can help.....never mind

    Iridehorses - Yeh I am 100% sure there is nothing a can do to change how it is on my own. Its just a case of finding somebody that can help and not make the situation worse. Which is so tricky!

    That's why I love geldings also!! Which is why I was thinking of selling her and getting a nice 8,9,10 year old gelding that has done it a little more and willing to help me get back to top form. Its frustrating as I know I can do it but she only goes so far and then seems to just throw the towel in and say NO. I should be doing so much more than I am but feel almost held back by her. Which sounds horrible but it is how I feel.

    I had a day with a friends horse some time ago. He is an ex grade B showjumper. A massive hannoverian gentleman and I took him to a local show. At this point I was still very scared of jumping. But he took me round a course of small fences and before I knew it I was confidently correcting his strides and riding him round a course of 3ft9 clear and happily, which is what I know I can do. I was buzzing afterwards! Hehe He was useless with traffic but they all have their flaws don't they!? And that flaw I could deal with happily!

    Elz x
         
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        09-15-2008, 10:10 AM
      #12
    Showing
    It sounds like you already have your answer. Now you just have to do it. Riding and horses need to be enjoyable and when it isn't then you need to change something.
         
        09-15-2008, 10:20 AM
      #13
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iridehorses
    I would almost bet the ranch that if you had a good trainer work with him just once or twice, you would see a different horse - until you got back on.
    I should of bet with mine! :) I had 4(!) trainers coming out to work with her loading: John Lyons certified, works with rescue horses, the one recommended to me by number of people (something certified), one who follows Kenny Harlow, and one who follows Clinton Anderson. ALL of them I checked references and all work with problem horses. All told me on email when I described the situation they'll do it no problem...

    All I can tell you first 3 had NO success AT ALL - couldn't even bring her close enough, forget about loading. The last one worked her out 2 hours (she was dripping wet). He eventually was able to load her just because she tried to avoid HIM (NOT work) so badly she jumped in. He actually was very disappointed by how it went.

    What I'm saying here is horses are extremely different and sometime you just need lots of time and patience to make it go through the fear. Trainer can help, that's for sure. But the main fix can be done only by every day work.
         
        09-15-2008, 10:38 AM
      #14
    Weanling
    Iridehorse - I think im trying to get people to talk me out of the conclusion I have come to in the back of my mind. And I really don't want to admit defeat becasue she is so talented and my baby! I know really that she isnt what I need and can't afford to keep her, my gelding and another so she has to go to make way for a new one? So sad, and desperate for her to be cured of her constant spanner in the works attitude but kind giving up on her now. Everyway you turn she throws up another brick wall.

    Kitten_val - Yeh I get what you mean, some trainers can do more harm than good!! But my mare isnt scared, not in the slightest. It is more of a " nah I don't want to today", than a "oh my god I really can't im to scared". Once on my lorry she doesnt call, doesnt sweat, eats happily, looks out of the window and seems so content its unreal. She only turns into a sweaty mess when she argues to the point that she is fighting herself. I would soooo let her off if it were genuine fear but the way she is perfect sometimes and just says no another I simply can't put it down to fear. Its just her being argumentative and being a spoilt brat!!

    Thanks all!!

    If anybody knows what else I could try please say. Do you think I should just get the box out everyday and just keep loading her, standing her on there until it sinks in or do you think she will still one day turn round when I least expect it and say NO?
         
        09-15-2008, 10:42 AM
      #15
    Showing
    Hi Kitten, in that quote I was referring to riding the mare, but boy-o-boy, I've never had a horse like yours!

    I've had difficult horses including a 9 year old mare that a friend spent the better part of 2 days trying to get her loaded after he bought her this spring. He is a good hand with horses and was using a stock trailer. He was finally going to resort to Ace. I came over and worked with her. We got her loaded inside an hour and never had another problem. While I agree that it sometimes takes a lot of time to properly train - or retrain - a horse, sometimes it takes a little different approach. We didn't have the luxury of weeks of work. I used the Dennis Reis method that time with a few tweaks.
         
        09-15-2008, 11:49 AM
      #16
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iridehorses
    Hi Kitten, in that quote I was referring to riding the mare, but boy-o-boy, I've never had a horse like yours!
    I was kidding about the bet of course. :)
    Usually I'm VERY honest upfront with the trainers and tell them it's not going to be easy and they just make fun of me like I'm an idiot. :roll: But then they come out and face the horse, and... Oh, boy!
    She's very loving horse though. She's just strange I assume after rough start in life... Lol!
         
        09-15-2008, 01:04 PM
      #17
    Started
    I feel like a horse that wont load from fear is one thing but one that wont do it out of stubborness is a whole other thing. I don't have first hand experience as far as the trailor goes...but I do have some experience with Major getting a little stubborn and not wanting to go certain places. What works for me is to get a "spirit of cooperation" before I even try and get him near the thing that's causing the stubborness. I do it by gettin forward motion leading him, backing him up, bending him, disengaging his hind quarters, backing some more....sometimes even lunging him around in a few circles. Anything at all that gets him to listening and following my direction. It seems like he does better if I get the right attitude before I try and do something that brings out his stubborness. My thinking is that any horse will get stubborn on you if you don't keep reminding them who the leader is. Just a thought
         
        09-15-2008, 02:50 PM
      #18
    Foal
    Lol, I had a horse that would run out of the trailer when she loaded. I used a quick fix by loading her in, petting her/brushing her with me in there, and I also set a trailer in the pasture and fed her in it, so she thought it was home. I don't know if something like that would work, but you could always try. She was scared to death of the trailer, trusted me enough to load her, then changed her mind.
         
        09-16-2008, 02:53 AM
      #19
    Foal
    It sounds as though she's playing with you. You need to take charge, and show her that you have the confidence to be her herd leader. She sounds like a pretty nice horse aside from a few small attitude problems.
         
        09-16-2008, 04:01 PM
      #20
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kitten_Val
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iridehorses
    I would almost bet the ranch that if you had a good trainer work with him just once or twice, you would see a different horse - until you got back on.
    I should of bet with mine! :) I had 4(!) trainers coming out to work with her loading: John Lyons certified, works with rescue horses, the one recommended to me by number of people (something certified), one who follows Kenny Harlow, and one who follows Clinton Anderson. ALL of them I checked references and all work with problem horses. All told me on email when I described the situation they'll do it no problem...
    Hubby and I would of taken that bet........LOL We own a professional hauling business. I'm probably going to jinx us, but there has never been a horse that didn't load.

    Your right, sometimes it takes while, but they all go on. One trick is, if the horse is having issues and the owner is trying to "help", we send them to get a broom......... not to use on the horse but to make them GO AWAY! 9 times out 10 it's the owners who are the problem not the horse.

    If you have professional haulers in your area, maybe you could hire one who come highly recommended to come out and work with the horse.

    I'd like to add, that a horse flying out of the trailer is often caused by poor driving. Braking to hard, jackrabbit starts or turning corners to fast. They have such a hard time balancing in the trailer that when that door opens they just want out NOW!
         

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