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    10-22-2012, 10:56 PM
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Minor horse riding emergency... Need help. Don't know what to do.

I joined this forum just because I'm not sure what else to do about this horse.

I bought her about a year ago as a 4 year old and have since trained her to become an awesome little trail riding and cow horse. She is great in a lot of ways, but lately she has been stressing me out to the max.

About 2 months ago, my boyfriend bought a 13.2 hand paint horse that I absolutely cannot stand but he loves. She came in and completely runs all of my horses. Before this paint horse came, I would go out in the field and sit by the creek and my mares would come stand with me for hours and just hang out. One would even lay down by me sometimes. Now, when I go out my two horses will walk toward me but that paint horse will walk in front of them and turn them away. (All are mares.) She will keep them away from me and whenever I walk up to her she will either walk away from me or turn her butt to me, or run my horses to the other end of the field. My two horses are much bigger but she completely charges them.

Before this paint, I could walk out and halter my horses without a problem. Now, whenever I walk out she runs my horses to the other end of the field.

Then, came the straw that broke the camels back. We have a large piece of property about 5 miles down the highway from my house. It's a extremely curvy county road and there isn't much traffic, but several cars and tank trucks travel down it. Usually, I can ride all the way down it and stay far away from the highway just fine

Anyway, I took my horse out for a ride on the property down the road and ponied my other bay horse. I've done this countless times but this was the first time I had done it since we got the paint horse. My horse was extremely extremely nervous and kept turning around and neighing and sweating and prancing. She was very difficult to control and I thought about heading back and giving up, but I was being stubborn and wanted my horse to learn to be away from her buddy. She has NEVER had buddy problems with my bay horse.

We finally made it to the property 5 miles away and started riding. The property isn't fenced, but it is far far away from the highway, so I let my bay horse go because she just follows us. We've done this soooo many times and everything has been fine.

My horse was getting more and more nervous and then just exploded. She bronc bucked about three times, threw me in the dirt, and headed toward home. My bay horse followed her for a little bit, but she is trained to stay with the rider if they fall so she came back to me. But, she didn't have a saddle and is pretty bad about crow hopping and was excited anyway so I didn't want to chase my horse on her.

My horse headed straight to the highway, snapped her reins and headed HOME. I ran after her for as long as I could with my bay horse following me but I eventually had to stop. I immediately called the police and they caught her in the middle of the highway about 200 yards from my house. She tried to run over one of the cops and just freaked out trying to get back to the stupid paint horse. She didn't care about the bay horse with me AT ALL.

I was panicking. I could imagine someone coming around a curve and hitting her and killing themselves. Eeeep.

When I got home I tied her far away from the paint for the rest of the day (with water, in the shade.) She almost uprooted the tree pawing and kept sitting back on the halter and trying to break free. It was terrible.

The trainer came to see what her deal was and she almost ran over her as well.

This horse has NEVER done ANYTHING like this. She is laid back, smart and cool headed. She has never been extremely barn sour or buddy sour at all. Today, I trailered her and my bay horse to a new location and she had no trouble riding away from the bay horse at all. She acted perfect. And the paint horse was no where in sight.

This paint horse has completely changed my horses attitude whenever she is around and has really changed the herd dynamic. I really, really hate her... And that's hard for me to say because I LOVE horses. I've had them my entire life.

The paint horse is really submissive on the ground and in the round pen. Works like a dream and never gets pushy or pissed.

I'm at a loss. I don't even know what to do anymore.

I can't even ride at home anymore because my horse goes bezerk when this paint horse is out of sight. I've done all the riding exercises with riding them away from each other and all that and it just hasn't worked at all. Right now, I tie my horse for about an hour out of sight of the paint horse. She is getting better at standing tied and no longer pulls back but she still paws and wants to get back to the paint. (Before anyone flips out, I tie her in the shade with water and watch her the entire time.)

Any advice/similar stories/herd dynamic info would be appreciated!
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    10-22-2012, 11:00 PM
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Honestly - it seems you are projecting a lot onto the paint horse that might better be placed on you and your horse(s). YOUR horse has become buddy sour/herd bound, and you are blaming the other horse for that? Have you considered that your own feelings towards the paint are being read by your horse(s) and that is why their attitude towards you has shifted?
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    10-22-2012, 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BB2    
I joined this forum just because I'm not sure what else to do about this horse.

I bought her about a year ago as a 4 year old and have since trained her to become an awesome little trail riding and cow horse. She is great in a lot of ways, but lately she has been stressing me out to the max.

About 2 months ago, my boyfriend bought a 13.2 hand paint horse that I absolutely cannot stand but he loves. She came in and completely runs all of my horses. Before this paint horse came, I would go out in the field and sit by the creek and my mares would come stand with me for hours and just hang out. One would even lay down by me sometimes. Now, when I go out my two horses will walk toward me but that paint horse will walk in front of them and turn them away. (All are mares.) She will keep them away from me and whenever I walk up to her she will either walk away from me or turn her butt to me, or run my horses to the other end of the field. My two horses are much bigger but she completely charges them.

Before this paint, I could walk out and halter my horses without a problem. Now, whenever I walk out she runs my horses to the other end of the field.

Then, came the straw that broke the camels back. We have a large piece of property about 5 miles down the highway from my house. It's a extremely curvy county road and there isn't much traffic, but several cars and tank trucks travel down it. Usually, I can ride all the way down it and stay far away from the highway just fine

Anyway, I took my horse out for a ride on the property down the road and ponied my other bay horse. I've done this countless times but this was the first time I had done it since we got the paint horse. My horse was extremely extremely nervous and kept turning around and neighing and sweating and prancing. She was very difficult to control and I thought about heading back and giving up, but I was being stubborn and wanted my horse to learn to be away from her buddy. She has NEVER had buddy problems with my bay horse.

We finally made it to the property 5 miles away and started riding. The property isn't fenced, but it is far far away from the highway, so I let my bay horse go because she just follows us. We've done this soooo many times and everything has been fine.

My horse was getting more and more nervous and then just exploded. She bronc bucked about three times, threw me in the dirt, and headed toward home. My bay horse followed her for a little bit, but she is trained to stay with the rider if they fall so she came back to me. But, she didn't have a saddle and is pretty bad about crow hopping and was excited anyway so I didn't want to chase my horse on her.

My horse headed straight to the highway, snapped her reins and headed HOME. I ran after her for as long as I could with my bay horse following me but I eventually had to stop. I immediately called the police and they caught her in the middle of the highway about 200 yards from my house. She tried to run over one of the cops and just freaked out trying to get back to the stupid paint horse. She didn't care about the bay horse with me AT ALL.

I was panicking. I could imagine someone coming around a curve and hitting her and killing themselves. Eeeep.

When I got home I tied her far away from the paint for the rest of the day (with water, in the shade.) She almost uprooted the tree pawing and kept sitting back on the halter and trying to break free. It was terrible.

The trainer came to see what her deal was and she almost ran over her as well.

This horse has NEVER done ANYTHING like this. She is laid back, smart and cool headed. She has never been extremely barn sour or buddy sour at all. Today, I trailered her and my bay horse to a new location and she had no trouble riding away from the bay horse at all. She acted perfect. And the paint horse was no where in sight.

This paint horse has completely changed my horses attitude whenever she is around and has really changed the herd dynamic. I really, really hate her... And that's hard for me to say because I LOVE horses. I've had them my entire life.

The paint horse is really submissive on the ground and in the round pen. Works like a dream and never gets pushy or pissed.

I'm at a loss. I don't even know what to do anymore.

I can't even ride at home anymore because my horse goes bezerk when this paint horse is out of sight. I've done all the riding exercises with riding them away from each other and all that and it just hasn't worked at all. Right now, I tie my horse for about an hour out of sight of the paint horse. She is getting better at standing tied and no longer pulls back but she still paws and wants to get back to the paint. (Before anyone flips out, I tie her in the shade with water and watch her the entire time.)

Any advice/similar stories/herd dynamic info would be appreciated!
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MY solution would be to put that Paint in her own corral without any other horses. She would not be allowed to run MY horses, nor would she be allowed to walk away from me or turn her butt in my face without severe and immediate consequences. If need be, I would double fence so they couldn't even talk over the fence to each other. I would nip this nonsense in the bud right now. She would also get to deal with me and learn that I was in charge 100% of the time, not her. And if my boyfriend/husband dared to open his mouth, he'd find out what an alpha mare is all about too.
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    10-22-2012, 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by themacpack    
Honestly - it seems you are projecting a lot onto the paint horse that might better be placed on you and your horse(s). YOUR horse has become buddy sour/herd bound, and you are blaming the other horse for that? Have you considered that your own feelings towards the paint are being read by your horse(s) and that is why their attitude towards you has shifted?
I don't think so. I don't think they read my attitude toward the paint because I don't mess with her really... I ignore her most of the time.

My horse has been a dream until we bought the new horse. And now all the horses act completely different. I used to ride my horse out to the property all alone and she was 100% fine. I can ride her away from my bay horse 100% of the time, the entire time I have owned her. She JUST got attached to this paint horse recently.

Besides that, the paint horse won't allow the other horses to come near me and that is a problem in itself. I can't catch them and they don't come out to see me in the pasture anymore. They obviously try, but the paint walks right in front of them and bites them away.
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    10-22-2012, 11:06 PM
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Wow, that's a scary and difficult situation. My first thought is seperating your mare and the paint if possible? I would get those two as far away from each other as possible then go back woth working on your mare. That seems to be the biggest thing and I know it'll take time to break that habit but if she's already at that point I would keep her away from the paint. What has your boyfriend said about the situation? Being as though it's his horse I'd tell him he needed to help you resolve the problem asap. Staying in that situation it will only get worse unless dealt with. Is there a way you can seperate the two?

When you're with your horses and the paint comes and displays that behavior, such as running your horses off, I'd light into her butt and she that YOU'RE the dominant "horse" in the pasture and that behavior is not acceptable..Not more ignoring her.
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    10-22-2012, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians    
MY solution would be to put that Paint in her own corral without any other horses. She would not be allowed to run MY horses, nor would she be allowed to walk away from me or turn her butt in my face without severe and immediate consequences. If need be, I would double fence so they couldn't even talk over the fence to each other. I would nip this nonsense in the bud right now. She would also get to deal with me and learn that I was in charge 100% of the time, not her. And if my boyfriend/husband dared to open his mouth, he'd find out what an alpha mare is all about too.
I don't have a separate corral or fencing available.. All I have is a barn and 3 stalls:/ We don't have paddocks and I can't really afford to buy anything. I don't believe in stalling for long amounts of time, just a personal preference. I wouldn't do that to any horse.

I work with her on the ground and she is SO respectful. I don't have to ask for anything twice, ever. She is hard to reprimand in the pasture because she immediately moves my horses to the other end of the pasture when I push her.
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    10-22-2012, 11:13 PM
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My boyfriend is extremely new to horses and doesn't see his horse as the problem. He absolutely loves her and thinks the world of her. She is also his first horse. I've talked to him about it but he doesn't really "get" horses and horse behavior.

I'm trying to think of a way to separate them... But all I have is stalls and no way to construct a separate corral of fence at the moment... I could borrow a round pen, but would 50 feet be too small?
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    10-22-2012, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by BB2    
My boyfriend is extremely new to horses and doesn't see his horse as the problem. He absolutely loves her and thinks the world of her. She is also his first horse. I've talked to him about it but he doesn't really "get" horses and horse behavior.

I'm trying to think of a way to separate them... But all I have is stalls and no way to construct a separate corral of fence at the moment... I could borrow a round pen, but would 50 feet be too small?
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Part of the problem there may be that it is coming from you. Do you have other mutual friends that are "horse people" - someone that the information can come from where it doesn't come across as you trying to tell him things?
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    10-22-2012, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by themacpack    
Part of the problem there may be that it is coming from you. Do you have other mutual friends that are "horse people" - someone that the information can come from where it doesn't come across as you trying to tell him things?
Ignore this I misunderstood your comment!!!


I have a trainer that lives next door and my parents as well as friends are horse people and it all sort of baffles them because this new horse has so much hold on my horse.

I have no idea what you are talking about "coming from me"

I'm doing nothing different. The only change is this new horse and then my horse and entire herd completely shifted.

I can't make the paint horse cut my horses off when they are coming up to me.
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    10-22-2012, 11:22 PM
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Agree with macpack in her last post..Maybe he doesn't want to hear it from you but will listen to others? It's like teenagers (or most men) you're always wrong then someone says the exact same thing to them and it's great advice.

I'd have a lunge whip with me and when she came after your horses or chased them away I'd get her ass..You are dominant, not her.
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