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        10-23-2012, 12:09 AM
      #21
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by BB2    
    How can I establish myself as a leader? Besides spanking the paints butt whenever she tests me?
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    Spanking the bum is good and all but to really make it sink in you'll have to do it on an individual basis.

    First and foremost, whatever horse you're handling, get (and KEEP) their attention. Focus their energy on YOU and what you're asking. Every time those ears go somewhere else, go bananas and get the attention back on you. Ask the horse to do lots of things and when she looks to you and asks you what to do next and those ears stay on you, that's when you know it's working. You only have to be crazy-lead-mare when the horse isn't paying attention to you.

    When you have control of the horse's feet, you have control of its energy. So try to get those feet moving where you want them to move. Obviously the paint has that down pat since she's moving your horses away from you. Make sure you follow through with everything you ask and ask with enthusiasm! "I really insist you pay attention to me" is the energy you want to give off.
         
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        10-23-2012, 12:20 AM
      #22
    Trained
    These horses need to be dealt with separately.

    The paint needs to learn how to behave when you walk into the pasture, so she needs exercises that teach her that when you are in the paddock, YOU are her leader, and you need to take control of that situation; when she charges you, don't back off. Have a lead rope, or whip, so that you can ask her to back off. When she points her rear to you, make her MOVE away like, yesterday!!! Do not tolerate any horse pointing those two barrels at you, ever! If you have too, pen her separately for a while so you can work on this behavior without interference from the other two horses.

    With your riding horse, when she is acting barn sour under saddle, or even on the ground with you, make her work hard near the paddock where she wants to be; then take her away, and let her rest for a bit AWAY from the paddock/her buddy. When she gets unsettled or unfocused, take her back to the pen and work her tail off some more; The idea being here, that if she wants to be at the paddock when you're working with her, then you are going to make it uncomfortable for her to be there. Get her attention back, and keep it. She get's rest, affection, and attention away from the paddock and her 'buddy'. With your bay mare, you really need to make her feel like you are a leader that can be trusted again, not just for attention, but for correction, since she has obviously decided that the paint mare is more important at the moment.
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        10-23-2012, 12:40 AM
      #23
    Yearling
    I think the paint is feeling left out. And your harse is herd sour.
         
        10-23-2012, 12:47 AM
      #24
    Foal
    To me, the paint hose is the leader- in your horses eyes she's a stronger leader than you. If it were me, id establish dominance and a relationship with the paint in all aspects. In my experience just smacking her on the butt when she turns her butt to you isnt going to be enough- it may keep the paint away from you or not to turn her butt from you when your in the pasture, but when you go to take your horses out and ride off how is that going to prevent your horses from thinking that their leader is not in sight?
    I do think that getting after her when she turns her butt to you is a good idea because her doing that is a huge sign of disrespect. And you not doing anything shows your horses that the paint is in fact the leader. But I personally would also work with the paint maybe once a week to establish that relationship and dominance. And get her to come to you willingly. If you have a good relationship with their "pasture leader" so to say, and their "pasture leader" looks up to you, they will do the same.
    Hopefully this helps. It helped me when I had a similar situation happen. At first I just got after the problem horse only in the pasture and things justkept going down hill even faster. And when I decided to work directly with the problem horse, things went up hill instead.
         
        10-23-2012, 06:40 AM
      #25
    BB2
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    Okay. So how would I go about establishing myself as the pasture leader besides spanking her butt? I can only do that every so often because she only does it every so often.

    FYI, I do work with the paint mare in the round pen. She lunges, changes direction, comes in when called and just really does everything I ask... Without a bad attitude. It's extremely odd.

    It's like when the halter goes on or we go into the round pen, another horse takes her place!

    How do you guys feel about tying my horse up away from the paint for some of the day?
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        10-23-2012, 08:04 AM
      #26
    Green Broke
    Have you tried doing groundwork with the paint in be pasture ? She may be respectful in the roundpen but when you walk in that field, you don't own it - she does. She needs to be respectful and submissive to you at all times - not just in the roundpen.
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        10-23-2012, 08:07 AM
      #27
    BB2
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    Ill try that and let everyone knows how it goes!!
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        10-23-2012, 09:08 AM
      #28
    Yearling
    The problem with this is that you are not a horse. You don't live in the pasture with these horses. They are together almost all day, every day, and they have done what horses do which is follow the leader in the herd. You can't change the fact the paint is dominant with other horses in the pasture. You can distract her by "working" with her in the pasture but from what you described (walking away, turning away from you, etc) she isn't being aggressive or mean, she's just being a horse that doesn't want to deal with a human because 90% of the time, human=work. Running her off every time she decides to leave really won't help anything.

    You can make her come when you call by offering a treat or some feed when she gets to you for a while. Then when she finally gets "friendly" stop giving it. That way she won't run off and take the other horses with her.

    Or, you can put her up, take your horses somewhere (in sight of the mare) where they won't run off, and have your boyfriend let her out. When she comes over and tries to be with your horses, run her out of your herd. Keep doing that until she stays a good distance away, and then when she looks at you and "asks permission" (ears up, looking at you, but keeping her distance), turn your back to her and let her come over.

    Or you can go buy a mini, a donkey, or another horse and stick it in a separate pasture with the paint.
         
        10-23-2012, 09:44 AM
      #29
    Weanling
    It was suggested that you separate the paint, which you indicated was not possible due to lack of fencing. Have you considered electric fence? I use one or two strands of electric tape to throw up temporary cross fence as needed. It is pretty inexpensive, easy to put up and take down.
         
        10-23-2012, 09:58 AM
      #30
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    Originally Posted by Bellasmom    
    It was suggested that you separate the paint, which you indicated was not possible due to lack of fencing. Have you considered electric fence? I use one or two strands of electric tape to throw up temporary cross fence as needed. It is pretty inexpensive, easy to put up and take down.
    It's is exactly what I was going to suggest: put elec fence across a portion of the field so you have Paint Mare in a small temporary paddock. Make some time to work her in there, in full view of the other horses, establish ground manners in the field as well as the round pen.

    I think if you follow the advice given here (lots of helpfull stuff) it will be possible to get your herd dynamics back to where you want them.

    On the bright side - you now own a dominant clever mare, who you say is good to ride even for a beginner? Once you've got this herd thing sorted (I'm sure you will), she may become one very useful trail riding horse indeed.
         

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