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    06-15-2010, 10:54 AM
  #1
Showing
Most stupid advices about the tack and training... :)

I thought it would be interesting to hear some. I will post mine, and all were given by professionals actually successfully showing. BTW, if you agree with the any statement below, please post your thoughts. May be I'm wrong (I have no problem to admit it).

1) Standing martingale (I already discussed that before). The only way to go to have a nice head set. No-no for running martingale.

2) Running martingale - brings the horse from forehand and makes work from behind (still can't figure out how THAT can be accomplished especially if the horse keeps head low, I always rely on transitions ).

3) Double jointed snaffle is very harsh and don't even argue with it. The only way to go is single jointed loose ring happy mouth (because, you know, it's the only one worked for my girl's poneh)! (I loved that one, BTW )

4) Thinline pad just can NOT work - it's too thin! (so get 3 of my shims to stick on top of your normal pad for $100/each, came from same source as #3).

And of course endless statements from the beginner riders (who don't know how to ride but got horses) about beauty and gentleness of the mechanical hackamore (because when you pull on it when you horse bolts, it doesn't yank on horse's mouth! True statement from one of the rider).
     
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    06-15-2010, 12:07 PM
  #2
Weanling
Haha number 3 makes me luagh! That is absolutely not true! The single jointed snaffle has a nutcracker effect on the horses mouth and the double jointed one doesn't. Try this:

Lay a single jointed one widthwise over your arm. Then take both sides of the bit in your opposite hand and pull. Do the same to the double jointed one. What a difference eh?

I was also baffled by the very last paragraph. Did you write this in irony? I use a mechanical hackamore becuase yes it is easier on the horse once they understand it. I use it on one of my mares because she won't take the bit properly and then if she does she just keeps her head high all the time(yes she has had her teeth checked). Though the Hackamore can also be quite severe in the wrong hands. I have heard stories about it being pulled on so hard and the hackamore not being positioned high enough up the nose that they broke their horses nose!! Other than this Yes I really love the Mechanical hackamores!
     
    06-15-2010, 12:14 PM
  #3
Yearling
1. Snaffles are the harshest bit out there, I just ride in a 7 inch shank curb bit and that is what everyone should use on every horse.

2. The only thing drafts are good for is pulling stuff. Get a real horse.

3. You can't do dressage in a Western saddle. Get a real saddle.

4. You can't barrel race a draft! Didn't I tell you that drafts are only for pulling? Get a quarter horse.

5. Martingales are cruel, never use them, use a barrel racing tie down instead.

6. Never gallop, it will hurt the horses tendons.

7. Hackamore? Hackamores are cruel, you can break your horses face, you need a 7 inch shank curb bit!! Didn't I tell you that first off? Every horse rides in a curb.

8. If it ain't neck reining, its plow reining, and that's ugly.
     
    06-15-2010, 12:15 PM
  #4
Yearling
And no those are not MY opinions! Just stuff I've been told over the years.
     
    06-15-2010, 12:23 PM
  #5
Showing
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Originally Posted by SugarPlumLove    
Haha number 3 makes me luagh! That is absolutely not true! The single jointed snaffle has a nutcracker effect on the horses mouth and the double jointed one doesn't. Try this:

Lay a single jointed one widthwise over your arm. Then take both sides of the bit in your opposite hand and pull. Do the same to the double jointed one. What a difference eh?

I was also baffled by the very last paragraph. Did you write this in irony? I use a mechanical hackamore becuase yes it is easier on the horse once they understand it. I use it on one of my mares because she won't take the bit properly and then if she does she just keeps her head high all the time(yes she has had her teeth checked). Though the Hackamore can also be quite severe in the wrong hands. I have heard stories about it being pulled on so hard and the hackamore not being positioned high enough up the nose that they broke their horses nose!! Other than this Yes I really love the Mechanical hackamores!
#3 is the statement, which made me actually change the trainer.

No, I was not ironic about the mechanical hackamores. While I don't like them in general and rather vote for sidepull or bitless bridle (or just a rope halter with reins attached), I have no problem with people with light hands who know how to ride and how to use them. I was talking about total beginners, who don't know how to ride in first place, can't control the horse, and pull on reins like crazy to stop the horse. They buy that hackamore and then proudly demonstrate it to you saying how nice they are to their horse, because they don't put that cruel bit in mouth. I'd rather say get lessons OR buy an appropriate horse (meaning dead quiet one).
     
    06-15-2010, 12:30 PM
  #6
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Originally Posted by draftrider    
2. The only thing drafts are good for is pulling stuff.
That's a hilarious one! I'm always surprised how stupid the person should be to make such statements.

When I just got Jemma (my qh) I was told by BO (who was with horses for 30 years or so) that she's tiny piece of crap (excuse my language), which will stay the size of the pony on her best (I'll be lucky IF she'll top 14'1). I moved her 3 weeks later because the place was really nasty. In 2 years, good feed and care she topped 14'3 (what all measurments gave me) and became wide as foundation qh should be (she has nice qh lines in her like Doc Bar and Driftwood). I wish I could take her back to that place! :)
     
    06-15-2010, 12:33 PM
  #7
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Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
3) Double jointed snaffle is very harsh and don't even argue with it. The only way to go is single jointed loose ring happy mouth (because, you know, it's the only one worked for my girl's poneh)! (I loved that one, BTW )
Haha, for some reason I understood the sarcasm in the first two things you listed but not this one. I was like, "what on earth is she talking about?" :roll:


My mare has a low palate and a thick tongue and I can't ride her in anything but a double-jointed or straight-bar snaffle.
     
    06-15-2010, 12:38 PM
  #8
Showing
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Originally Posted by CloudsMystique    
Haha, for some reason I understood the sarcasm in the first two things you listed but not this one. I was like, "what on earth is she talking about?" :roll:


My mare has a low palate and a thick tongue and I can't ride her in anything but a double-jointed or straight-bar snaffle.
See! You are cruel too!

The trainer I used (recommended to me by my friend) was absolutely serious in that statement. She said the bits I'm using on my horses (KK Ultra lorentzo and Mikmar lorentzo) are just cruel junk, and I MUST GO FOR HAPPY MOUTH SINGLE JOINT and only it! Because that's what worked best for her daughter's pony. On my comments that horses seem to be happy with the bits she said I don't understand anything. Well... That was a last time I took a lesson with her....
     
    06-15-2010, 12:43 PM
  #9
Started
I forgot to say - with two gaited horses I hear a lot of stupid things like draftrider said about drafts only being good for pulling. I rein with my MFT mare, and she's actually pretty good even though I haven't shown her yet. My Paso Fino gelding has a LOT of talent (although he had a very hard life and was never able to fulfill his potential). His sire is Campanero LTD - he had over 2400 show points and won versatility plus champion, grand national versatility champion two years in a row, 3-time Georgia state champion, and Horse of the Year in 1991, 1992, and 1993. He jumps four feet, runs poles and barrels, knows some tricks, drives, side-passes, slides and spins, and does flying lead changes. Along with all that, he was also shown in Paso Fino performance classes. Most Pasos shown in performance classes aren't even cantered.
     
    06-15-2010, 02:52 PM
  #10
Yearling
I was told that it is absolutely pointless to lunge a horse unless it is wearing side reins.
Also, there is no point in owning a horse unless you are going to show it.
And my all time favourite: The reason your your has massive, sudden diarrhea is not because I(as in the barn owner, not me) completely changed his feed in one day. It must be something you let him eat on trail.
I was not at that barn very long!!
     

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