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        06-28-2009, 10:18 AM
      #11
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by mom2pride    
    However, I have different methods that I use to train a horse to stand still to be mounted anyway, although moving his feet is part of it.
    What do you do? I was actually going to make a post about this myself, so I'm glad we're talking about it. My horse works fine on the "moving my feet while someone is mounting from the ground = WORK", but we're trying to introduce the mounting block, as I want him to be comfortable with all methods of mounting, and he will just not come close the block. He must have had a bad experience with it, because in his mind block = evil. Any suggestions? PS - the mounting block is not moveable :( Should I try a stool that I could use in a different part of the arena?

    Thanks in advance!
         
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        06-28-2009, 01:37 PM
      #12
    Showing
    Definitely get a movable mounting block. I start mine with a block, mostly because its the only way I can get on. I have one of those 3 step plastic ones, but a step stool would work just as well.
         
        06-28-2009, 09:22 PM
      #13
    Foal
    I sure could have used this clip when I got my first horse!

    She is a mover and what I have done lately is to just back her up to China. That has worked fine over time, but I think this would have done it quicker.

    Also, thanks for letting me know about Horselink Magazine, it looks pretty cool.
         
        06-29-2009, 02:44 AM
      #14
    Foal
    That seems like a good idea cause I know my horse isn't one to stand still LOL.
         
        07-25-2009, 12:35 AM
      #15
    Foal
    I have a 16.25 hand tb mare who wont stand for mounting I have to have someone hold her and even then it gets kind of dangerous.... I want to try this, but I ride english and have to use a mounting block, would it still work??
         
        07-25-2009, 08:08 AM
      #16
    Banned
    I am not a fan of that technique. I am a strong mounter and I can quickly halt a horse if it moves while mounting. If the horse suddenly walks off as my leg is swinging over the just correct the horse with the reins making it stand still. A few times like that and the horse stands perfectly still until I am mounted, settled in the saddle, rein coat domed to the saddle and spread out behind me. I then pat the neck, good boy and with a gentle squeeze of the legs move out.
    I don't need lunging.
    I also feel the lady was not that good at mounting herself.

    Try this sometime.. With no girth, NO girth on the saddle, just a simple western saddle thrown on the horse with pad try mounting???
    It can and is easy to do IF you have a strong mounting techinique and keep your weight close to the horse.
    Some/most people will pull any saddle regardless of how tight it is cinched up over on the horse.
         
        07-25-2009, 09:02 AM
      #17
    Weanling
    I do not like this and was not impressed at all with the video. The horse was nervous, head straight up in the air, back dropped out, terribly disengaged in the hind end, if I were that horse I would move also when someone tried climbing on my back with a saddle that was too long for me and interfering with my hip action.

    When I work horses, I want that work to be enjoyable, not punishment. If a horse feels good and secure in their work, then they will be happy to do it and will lose that anxiety when a person is mounting. Its kinda interesting when a horses punishment for moving is going back to mounting instead of getting to work.
         
        07-25-2009, 11:05 AM
      #18
    Banned
    To me it is stupid to make the horse move because it moved??? If I am mounting and the horse moves I make it stand still. I correct it immediately for the crime committed. Not push it in lunging.
    Once mounted I do insist on standing still, all tension drained out of him before moving out

    What if down the road after all this work lunging the horse moves and you are not in a position to lung or have an area to lung in, like the middle of a dense bush?? Must I always have my lung line with me??
    Why not teach the horse, rather teach yourself how to mount properly without giving up control of the horse???
    Learn to mount with the reins in one hand maintaining control and a nice spring with the leg that puts you up and over smoothly without jerking the horse.
    I push many a lady up on her horse. I have a technic using my shoulder, no hands but really they should learn to mount without a mounting block.

    There are no bad horses, just bad people
         
        07-25-2009, 11:36 AM
      #19
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by harryhoudini    
    What do you do? I was actually going to make a post about this myself, so I'm glad we're talking about it. My horse works fine on the "moving my feet while someone is mounting from the ground = WORK", but we're trying to introduce the mounting block, as I want him to be comfortable with all methods of mounting, and he will just not come close the block. He must have had a bad experience with it, because in his mind block = evil. Any suggestions? PS - the mounting block is not moveable :( Should I try a stool that I could use in a different part of the arena?

    Thanks in advance!

    Sorry I didn't respond sooner!

    When it comes to introducing a horse to mounting blocks walk him up closest to where he is comfortable, then circle him around or near it, watch for him to calm down, and stop him near the block. Keep doing this until he is comfortable stopping right next to the block.

    Then walk up to the block, and if he won't follow you, let him circle around and wait until he is relaxing, then ask him to walk up to you and the block.

    Work in a open area. So you may have to use a stool, or something that looks similar in his eyes, to a mounting block.
         
        07-25-2009, 11:44 AM
      #20
    Weanling
    We are somewhat on the same page RiosDad. I completely agree that movement as punishment is somewhat bassackwards. I mean, I want my horses to enjoy movement as well as enjoy standing still. So why would I use moving the feet as punishment? In my opinion, leadership is controlling the feet, not just moving them. Any type of anticipation is showing signs of anxiety and trying to make the decisions on their own, with the rider simply as a passenger, or avoiding the rider completely. This is the problem that should be addressed, not just the fact that the horse is moving while being mounted. The horse in the video was learning to be obedient to stand while mounting, but only to avoid being chased, not because the horse wanted to be ridden. There are many physical and mental issues with that horse that I would work on before attempting to add the compromising weight of the rider. Every step I take with a horse results in complete relaxation and accepting (or as said in previous post "the tension drained out") before I move on. This would include the state of the horse before I got on his back. Not just standing still, but relaxation and acceptance.

    Now, where with I disagree with RiosDad is something that has been a personal battle of mine for a long time. I work primarily with problem horses. I started here because of the acquired ability to react quickly and accurately to get the horse to do as I wished. The problem that I ran into was that people I was helping couldn't get it to click. This is why I turned to overtraining the horse to help train the people. Horses are so much easier to teach than people. I may have said that wrong. I don't disagree that all people should have the skill to mount a horse without a mounting block while applying pressure equally on the saddle, but I do think that the horse truly trained in mounting should not require that much skill of the rider. Yes, in an ideal world, people would take that responsibility to learn about the horse enough to respect its biomechanics and make the mounting experience pleasant and consistent. However, what we encounter is far from that in the horse world.

    There are so many things that contribute to a horse being ready for mounting. I also make it my responsibility to be the best possible rider if I expect the horse to perform to its maximum potential. Unless I just want to sit up there still forever, I don't see using movement as punishment logical. That movement should feel good to the horse, not nerveracking punishment. JMO.
         

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