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post #1 of 9 Old 01-09-2012, 11:05 PM Thread Starter
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Moving Away From Pressure- Back To Basics

So, I want to go back to basics on the ground with my pony. When I am leading him in hand, and make him stand and go to push on his shoulder to get him to move away, he does not budge. I poke and I prod, but he does. not. move.
He isn't nasty, and he leads fine and backs fine ... but I think... I may have taught him something bad by accident.

Over the summer, I worked on whoa, walking forward, and backing up- all in hand... he does fine with all those things.

But now, every time I go to ask him to move over while he is in hand, he goes backwards. He moves over fine when he's in his stall or in the cross ties, but when he is in hand he goes backwards.

So I just want to go back to basics on getting him to move away from pressure. Where do I start?


We have been working on it for a few days, and it has gotten sort of better... but I want more opinions as to what to do. Today when I was leading him, I tried putting his butt to the wall and then moving his shoulders over, but he didn't move, but I did notice that as I was lining him up with his butt to the wall, when I went to move his butt over , I basically pointed at his hiney and he moved it over... so I thought that was a positive.

Tips?

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post #2 of 9 Old 01-10-2012, 08:41 AM
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Stand at his shoulder and smooch and get rough enough on him that he HAS to move away from you. Use a short crop or a piece of twisted up baling wire (my favorite because you can fold it up and put it in your back pocket).

I know you can put enough pressure on him that you can make him move over. Your problem is that you take the pressure off when he goes back and do not persist until he moves over. Whatever he is doing when you quit putting the pressure on him is what you are training him to do.

If you have to, start with a fence behind him. But, if you don't put enough pressure on him, he will just turn a 1/4 turn and back along the fence. It is up to you to keep up the pressure until he does the right thing.
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Along with Cherie's superb idea to teach him, I find teaching 'over' with a young, or pig horse easier with two people. One essentially stands by the shoulder and holds, the other uses hand, finger, whip etc to push the hind end over without having to worry about holding on to a head.

The main thing is to use your voice. 'Over'/'Back'/'walk' etc. for now, so he realises the difference.
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Along with Cherie's superb idea to teach him, I find teaching 'over' with a young, or pig horse easier with two people. One essentially stands by the shoulder and holds, the other uses hand, finger, whip etc to push the hind end over without having to worry about holding on to a head.

The main thing is to use your voice. 'Over'/'Back'/'walk' etc. for now, so he realises the difference.
I believe she said she was trying to move the shoulder over, not the rear end.

Similar to Cherie's, I stand by their nostril. Standing by the shoulder leaves the door open for them to move forward. I use a cue stick and hold it horizontal with both hands near their jaw level. Using a bumping motion, move towards their head. You may/probably will end up bumping on their jaw. If they just move their head over, use the end of the cue stick and tap the neck. If they back up, keep the pressure/bumping until their closest hoof crosses over infront of the other leg. All you are looking for at first is that. When they do that consistent, you can ask for more steps.
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I believe she said she was trying to move the shoulder over, not the rear end.
So she did.

Many apologies, my own fault for not reading as thoroughly as I should!
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What I have done, is to keep constant pressure on the shoulder. One hand on the lead, one hand pushing into the shoulder, use something small (thumb) the smaller it is the more it will "hurt" them. Not that hurting the horse is what I want but if they arent moving over with a slight touch, the pressure needs to be elevated. I use my thumb because it is the strongest finger, and can hold up to the pressure needed longer. If he/she (sorry cant remember the sex of your pony) is be stubborn, then use a tool, maybe a pen, or something to that extent.

Just keep the pressure until you get the response YOU want. As soon as the pony moves his balance over release and PRAISE. Or if you want them to move the foot over, IMMEDIATLY release the pressure and praise furiously.

Hope I may have helped. Probably sounds really confusing, I'm better at showing then telling.

Good luck :)
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OH, I forgot. First voice your command, (over) then start with a small amount of pressure and build more and more. Eventually all you will need is to say over and either point at the shoulder, hip, whatever, or just slightly touch them to move them over.
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But now, every time I go to ask him to move over while he is in hand, he goes backwards. He moves over fine when he's in his stall or in the cross ties, but when he is in hand he goes backwards.

So I just want to go back to basics on getting him to move away from pressure. Where do I start?

Depending on how coordinated you are, you can try this:

Bridle with a snaffle.
Dressage whip

Face the horse - whip in hand towards the rear, oppsite hand holds the off rein. Ask for over. If he doesn't move, tip his nose to the outside and tap with the whip. You will get the step forward and or back until the horse understands. Works well as a cool down exercise after riding.
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thank you guys! I will try these things and let you know how it goes.

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