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    09-16-2007, 05:26 AM
  #1
Weanling
Moving off leg aids

Ok, I did it again. I bought another horse who was basically untrained and only used for trail riding. I am trying to make my little boy Freckles into a good allround horse. He is an appaloosa gelding, and we already have a great bond - had him for almost 2 months, love at first sight.

Since we bought him for a whole $1500, I have already taught him ground manners, leading properly - walk next to you not in your space or trying to run off, he responds to voice commands, has been taught to jump, and move off leg aids.

He is great with everything except leg aids. He doesn't like to move off pressure, and I don't like to use the reigns to guide a horse, I would much prefer movement off leg aids, especially while jumping and for dressage!! He is a smart little horse, picks things up quite easily, but I am having trouble with getting him moving consistantly off leg aids, and also circling!

If anybody has any tips they would like to share, it would be much appreciated.
     
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    09-16-2007, 09:03 AM
  #2
Foal
Use spurs (with rowels) ask to move off with your leg, and then spur , and then roll the rowel on him. As soon as he moves off stop asking. If he moves off with just leg then stop asking.
     
    09-16-2007, 06:38 PM
  #3
Yearling
Ummm I'm not a big fan of whips or spurs but maybe you could try getting him to respond on the ground in hand then with someone on the ground
     
    09-17-2007, 07:40 AM
  #4
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Flying B
Use spurs (with rowels) ask to move off with your leg, and then spur , and then roll the rowel on him. As soon as he moves off stop asking. If he moves off with just leg then stop asking.
Not a chance of me using spurs on him! I am not steady enough with my legs to even think about spurs, plus, he would probably kill me.

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Originally Posted by Kiki
Ummm I'm not a big fan of whips or spurs but maybe you could try getting him to respond on the ground in hand then with someone on the ground
Tried it on ground, he responds, but it's harder in the saddle because I have nobody to help me!
     
    09-17-2007, 09:48 AM
  #5
Foal
If your not steady with your legs then he will never move off of your legs because your not being clear enough with what your asking.

Kiki can I ask why you don't like spurs? If you don't kick you can't hurt them, take a spur and use it on your side did it hurt? No it just felt funny, spurs are not bad if you know how to use them, just because I always have spurs on my heels does not mean I use them I could ride 10 times and never have to use them once. Whips and spurs are training aids 99% of trainers use them when needed, 60% use them right without making the horse crazy. I have seen more people using spurs wrong and hurting there horse because they don't know what they are doing and that drives me crazy to watch people to spur there horse for what.
There is so much more to riding horses then just sitting on them and saying go. My horse is so broke that when someone gets on and says go and he will just stand there and then they start smacking him in his butt, and he just stands there that is because they never asked right.
     
    09-17-2007, 02:51 PM
  #6
Foal
And, of course, there are also all kinds of spurs. Get some of the mildest ones you can. It just gives him a little more encouragement from your leg. And you don't have to use them all the time. As long as you keep your heels down, the spurs shouldn't even touch him.
     
    09-17-2007, 03:18 PM
  #7
Started
Spurs, in my opinion, should only be used to lateral movements or up and down movements, like passage or piafe. Not to get a horse to move off your leg in the very beginning.
     
    09-17-2007, 06:32 PM
  #8
Foal
"60% use them right without making the horse crazy. I have seen more people using spurs wrong and hurting there horse because they don't know what they are doing and that drives me crazy to watch people to spur there horse for what. "


Flying B-
If you say 40% or more use spurs wrong than why are you pushing them on someone who has already stated that they would have no idea how to use them properly? I am not trying to be rude, but I too use spurs when needed and I don't think that a person with no knowledge of them should use them with out some training on their part.
As far as Sparky's Question I would say continue on the ground, once he has moving away from your hand pressure down pat I would take a longer crop up in the saddle with me. Give him the que with your legs and if he does not respond then start tapping his hind quarters, don't stop tapping until he moves off. If you need you can tap his hind leg, that has worked for me. Once he moves stop tapping and take your leg off, even if he just shifts his weight or takes one little step. Then ask again leg first then the tapping. Key word TAPPING not WACKING.
I sure hope this helps, it worked for my gelding I was in the same position as you. If not I would find a friend to help push his side while you use your leg.
Good Luck and just be patient. He probably won't get it the first day.
     
    09-17-2007, 08:14 PM
  #9
Foal
Sparky is trying to get the horse to move off there leg not there hind quarters so why would you use a crop on there hind quarters? It has nothing to do with the horses hind quarters. If all you do is tap and then you will always need a corp in your hand, ask, click, whack and then what the horse learns is to do it when asked. You can NOT hurt a horse with a corp it just stings for a min, another horse's kick or bite hurts a lot more. If you are always pushing on his side her will only become more dead, not softer and softer sides are what your looking for. I fix other peoples dead sided horses all the time.
     
    09-19-2007, 09:08 AM
  #10
Foal
I miss understood what she was trying to get her horse to do. I am sorry for the misunderstanding.
I didn't realize she was doing dressage moves and I ride western, we use our legs to move the hind quarters of the horse. I will be sure to read more carefully.
     

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