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    05-11-2012, 06:09 PM
  #1
Weanling
Much More Serious Problem - KICKING! - Your Thoughts?

As you know - I've been working with a horse that's been spoiled rotten...

The other day, I successfully walked her down - took me about an hour....but it worked! So I was looking forward to making more progress today....but discovered a new problem instead.

She is kept in a very large paddock (20+ acres with about 8 other horses).

Today, when I went to get her, she began to walk away as soon as she saw me approaching with the halter and lead. Each time she began to step away - I made her go faster by hollering "Get!". She would then trot or canter in a large circle and find something to 'hide' her. She would try to hide from me by standing behind a bush, or sticking her head behind a tree, or trying to stand behind one of the other horses.

On one of her circles - she blundered too close to the back end of one of her pasture mates. After some ear pinning and posturing back and forth, the spoiled mare took a kick to her hind leg hard enough to make her limp a few paces. She then continued her circling.

On her next circle, she cut in close to me, presented her hindquarters and aimed a big kick right in my direction!

She continued circling, and tried to kick me at least twice more....and kept her hindquarters toward me as much as she could. For my part, I kept walking - but began doing short zig-zags to stay out of the kick zone.

(This was MUCH different than our last experience - and much different behavior than before she fought with the other horse.)

Finally, after a little more than an hour - she stopped and submitted to being haltered. I was able to lead her and groom her....but she only let me do her back feet. After 45 minutes of trying, I could not make her lift either front foot. (I would have kept at it - but I had somewhere to be...)

The owners (who are the ones that have spoiled her rotten) tell me that she is not vicious and would never kick or bite...

But obviously, that is not true.

So my question is - do you think the kicking today was a serious disrespect issue?

Or, is it possible that she was reacting to having been kicked by the other horse? She stopped limping - so while I'm sure she had a bruise....I'm not sure how serious any injury might have been. There was no swelling, nor broken skin.

What do you think?
     
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    05-11-2012, 06:45 PM
  #2
Trained
I seriously think you have missed several opportunites to "paint her back porch red" as my daughter would say. ANY horse that turns its butt to me gets a reminder that that is NOT a good idea, and one that offers to kick in my direction-is left with NO doubt in their mind. Do I think it is disrespect or a reaction? Frankly, I am in the disrespect camp, but, you need to not give the "why" a second thought. She needs to know you are the boss mare, and what the other horse did to her is nothing. Make her think she will die for a brief couple of seconds.
If I were you I would go out into the field whip in hand. If she is good-great, but if not, you are ready. And no waving it at her. Smack her butt! Keep it black and white. This is wrong, period, and be done with it.
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    05-11-2012, 06:46 PM
  #3
Trained
A horse hasn't been born that will never kick....but to your problem..when she turns her butt to you getting ready to kick, drive her off with your voice, smack her with the lead, etc. before she kicks to let her know that's not acceptable, then continue to work on catching her.
     
    05-11-2012, 06:50 PM
  #4
Foal
Agreed ^^ I was thinking the same thing the whole time. Where was your whip? Show her that it is NOT acceptable to do that. Because that's what a higher up horse would do to her if she acted that way.
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    05-11-2012, 07:04 PM
  #5
Weanling
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Originally Posted by PaintHorseMares    
A horse hasn't been born that will never kick....but to your problem..when she turns her butt to you getting ready to kick, drive her off with your voice, smack her with the lead, etc. before she kicks to let her know that's not acceptable, then continue to work on catching her.
I was not in "smacking distance" for any of these instances...

My response was to drive her with my voice (Get!) and to spin the lead rope at her.

My concern is getting into a physical altercation with a disrespectful horse. When a "rear end" is facing me - I'm in a losing situation if I don't move quickly.

What I'm trying to decide is whether or not this is a "correctable" problem...
     
    05-11-2012, 07:08 PM
  #6
Super Moderator
You had a halter and lead in your hand. You should have made her wear it on her arse -- as hard as you could. I've been known to throw a bucket or my hat if I had nothing else in my hand.
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    05-11-2012, 07:42 PM
  #7
Green Broke
Whip, cane pole, long branch, bucket, clothes...whatever you can get your hands on. This can be fixed, but you have to make it sting now.

Don't go out there without whip from now on, as she will do this again, until she connects. Next she is liable to try and run you over.

The not picking feet up is another way she is showing you you are not in charge here. A sharp rap with side of hoof pick on the fetlock works wonders.
     
    05-11-2012, 07:49 PM
  #8
Super Moderator
What Cherie said.
In general, when you are walking down a horse, you have to be really sensitive to the "balance point". There's a place where the horse makes the decision to move, and where to move. You approach the horse watching very carefully for the horse to be just about to reach that balance point where she will say, "that's it, I'm out of here". Right before that point, when she hasn't yet made the decision, you back away. She will either stop, and might even draw toward you. Give her a minute, then try approaching again but watch for the tipping place, and don't put so much pressure on that she tips to turning away. If she starts to turn away real slow like, you can sometimes draw her back by stepping back toward her hind a bit but if she turns awya hard, then you start walking along with her .

Look for places to draw her around to thinking toward you.

However , if she turns her hind and kicks out , then let all hell break loose.
     
    05-11-2012, 08:04 PM
  #9
Trained
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Originally Posted by Daisy25    
I was not in "smacking distance" for any of these instances...

My response was to drive her with my voice (Get!) and to spin the lead rope at her.

My concern is getting into a physical altercation with a disrespectful horse. When a "rear end" is facing me - I'm in a losing situation if I don't move quickly.

What I'm trying to decide is whether or not this is a "correctable" problem...
You are right to be very careful, but you can fix this, and I don't think it will reach the point of a physical altercation. In my experience, butt to you (or another horse) kickers are actually the "wimpy" fighters..they always have the escape of just moving off by going forward and you can drive them off. The ones that I'm careful of are the ones that will face you, rear, and/or try to bite....they are not afraid of you and can be very mean.

I would keep up your good efforts, but if you feel you're getting over your head, get help and don't risk your safety.
     
    05-11-2012, 11:54 PM
  #10
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daisy25    
I was not in "smacking distance" for any of these instances...

My response was to drive her with my voice (Get!) and to spin the lead rope at her.

My concern is getting into a physical altercation with a disrespectful horse. When a "rear end" is facing me - I'm in a losing situation if I don't move quickly.

What I'm trying to decide is whether or not this is a "correctable" problem...
smack the lead rope on her butt. A sod of turf, anything, that is such giving you the finger behaviour. Absolutely Unnacceptable
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