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post #11 of 43 Old 02-16-2013, 06:22 PM
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Well, first, you are trying to humanize your horse too much, so you really need to learn something about horse psychology and herd behavior. He is not your baby, he does not hate you, he is not being bad or doing anything for spite or other malicious emotions. He is just being a huge animal who has your number and is trying to show you who is the boss in your "herd". The more you baby him, the more he will see the opportunity to push you around. That is why you need a trainer. You need to learn how to be his leader (that does not involve being rude or violent against him, just stern, precise and honest!), and it cannot be taught over the internet! Basically, it seems to me from your very short description, that you are just letting him misbehave and then trying to apply corrections, which just frustrates him.

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After taking a saddle fitting clinic, I know that a pad is no way to fix a saddle fitting problem, and pads flatten out after awhile. This sounds like a pain problem, get a certified saddle fitter to check your saddle, then ride him. After getting to this point where he is rearing, he may just expect it to hurt and he may have to go back to a trainer.
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After taking a saddle fitting clinic, I know that a pad is no way to fix a saddle fitting problem, and pads flatten out after awhile. This sounds like a pain problem, get a certified saddle fitter to check your saddle, then ride him. After getting to this point where he is rearing, he may just expect it to hurt and he may have to go back to a trainer.
^^^This!^^^

So many people think a different pad is the answer to an ill-fitting saddle.
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post #14 of 43 Old 02-16-2013, 06:33 PM Thread Starter
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That okay, so what do you suggest I do? I do correct him immediately, I spin him and all and tell him noo and use crop and all! He doesnt listen to it. What do I do on the spot when he refuses like this.. Once he's in the trails he's ok, or if its with 3 or more horses.. Its just the getting him out of the driveway lol.
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^^^This!^^^

So many people think a different pad is the answer to an ill-fitting saddle.
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His back hurts because I am 180 lbs and he has never been ridden by anyone over 90 lbs jockey.. Could be the saddle but everyone says its fine. He had no muscle or anything before.. I can fit my hand under it comfortably and its not touching his whithers. It could also be from the pressure of me on him.. And his lack of collection. He hollows his back maybe ?
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Well, first, you are trying to humanize your horse too much, so you really need to learn something about horse psychology and herd behavior. He is not your baby, he does not hate you, he is not being bad or doing anything for spite or other malicious emotions. He is just being a huge animal who has your number and is trying to show you who is the boss in your "herd". The more you baby him, the more he will see the opportunity to push you around. That is why you need a trainer. You need to learn how to be his leader (that does not involve being rude or violent against him, just stern, precise and honest!), and it cannot be taught over the internet! Basically, it seems to me from your very short description, that you are just letting him misbehave and then trying to apply corrections, which just frustrates him.
Lol I understand horse pyscology. I read about it all day long. I know to be one you must ne the pack leader and all. I am stern with him! Not mean or agressive, I put him in his place.
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I am saying get a saddle fitter, then a chiropractor/RMT, then ride him. If he is still reacting violently, back to the trainer, this can get you hurt pretty bad. If I were you this is what I would do. By the way, you are not heavy enough to hurt his back at all.
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I am saying get a saddle fitter, then a chiropractor/RMT, then ride him. If he is still reacting violently, back to the trainer, this can get you hurt pretty bad. If I were you this is what I would do. By the way, you are not heavy enough to hurt his back at all.
Will a saddle fitter come out to my farm? Or do I need to trailer him to the saddle fitter? My uncle is a chiropracter so ill have no problem with that.
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You are, by your own admission, a beginner, yet you seem to have a reason why those of us who are much more experienced than you are wrong. If you don't want to take the advice given, don't ask. We're not there. We can't see what the horse is doing or what you're doing.

At this point, you have three options.

1) Get a saddle fitter out to check your saddle, then get a chiro out to make sure he's not in pain. After that's taken care of, go back to the trainer and have the trainer work with both of you.

2) Sell the horse to someone who can handle a green OTTB before you or the horse (or both) get hurt, then get yourself a nice, older, broke horse you can learn from.

3) Keep doing what your doing and end up with a sour horse and you hurt.

It's your choice.
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Sure, they just have to jump in their car. Also, does your uncle do massage after he adjusts horses? I feel there isn't much point in an adjustment without the massage follow up. The muscle memory just forces whatever adjustment right back. I have used equine chiros for decades, this is my experience.
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