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post #1 of 15 Old 03-17-2010, 01:40 PM Thread Starter
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My Girl Shiloh Refuses To Lounge

I have a 3 year old bay AQHA & NFQHA cow bred filly. I've had her for about 9 months now. Been working 12 hour days for a all animal rescue so havent had much time to work with her; my fault not hers. She is a wonderful mellow girl, but can be a butt head sometimes. The last few weeks ive had extra time to work with her so I had her trimmed again, checked out by a chiropractor and vet to make sure she is doing well before i started working with her.
Now i came upon a problem, she will not lounge at all! I am a big Clinton Anderson and Parelli fan so I combine their techniques together. She was spoiled like crazy by her last owner, who let her get away with everything. Pushing over you, cow kicking, being lazy and giving no effort what so ever! She has it set in her mind, if she ignores you, you will eventually go away. Ive taught her to stay out of my space and she caught on very quickly. However, the previous owner over desensitized her to the training stick! She is not one bit afraid to get popped on the butt with it and will just stand there. And if you continue to increase pressure, she will kick out at you! I usually point with my leading hand in direction i want her to go, move her shoulders out away from me and ask her first my kissing, if i get no response, i twirl the whip, if still no response, i tap the ground with it, if still nothing, i smack the ground harder and harder then will start poppin' her hindquarters with it but 95% of the time she doesn't budge.
When she does start moving around me, she does the slowest walk ever and will not trot at all and canter is out of the question. Any advice?
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post #2 of 15 Old 03-17-2010, 01:45 PM
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Put your $50 stick away a buy a $10 buggy whip so that it has a little sting to it and don't quit untill she is moving at the speed you want.

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post #3 of 15 Old 03-17-2010, 01:49 PM
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a bull whip will get her moving i had to use one when i helped a friend get her stallion to lounge
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a bull whip will get her moving i had to use one when i helped a friend get her stallion to lounge
I have a bull whip available, but i don't know how to crack it just right for that loud popping noise.
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I think you are doing the right thing, you just need to do more of it. An actual lunge whip (or buggy whip) will give you the space you need to keep asking her even when she kicks out at you. You cannot stop asking her forward if she kicks out at you, in fact you should ask her even more and with conviction. You must continue to add pressure, even shout and move closer until she starts to move, and only then does she get that release. You make standing there a living hell until she moves, otherwise your problem will only get worse.
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post #6 of 15 Old 03-17-2010, 02:21 PM
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Try your hardest to continue to increase the pressure. Also, as the people above said, buying a dressage whip or using your bull whip should work. When she kicks out at you, pop her again. Ah... some horses can be really numb to pressure. Ugh.
Btw... I love Clinton & Parelli too!
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post #7 of 15 Old 03-17-2010, 02:23 PM
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a bull whip will get her moving i had to use one when i helped a friend get her stallion to lounge
Not a real good idea for a couple of reasons. First, it takes practice to use a bull whip without leaving welts on yourself. Second, you can't use it as fast and the time it takes to bring it back on the horse is effectively a release and would confuse the horse. It is also harder to control the amount of force you are using.

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are you trying to break her in? how does she take to weight on her back? a few of ours refuse to lunge, hob-knob was especially bad, as soon as you tried to get him moving he'd turn on you. so we took another approach and got someone on his back while the other person stood with the lunge line and whip.
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I agree that a buggy whip, that has a short tail and can get a little sting is best. It will allow you to be far enough away to ignore her kicking out and just keep applying increasing pressure until she moves. Don't worry about trotting and cantering, that will come. You tap, smack, etc hard enough to get her to move away from you. At first that might be one step. Also don't just let her dance around. Don't back off an reward until she actually goes FORWARD. Too many people get into this situation and allow their horses to cheat by moving sideways, dancing around or my personal favorite backing up. This is counter productive and bad. Get big, get loud, get mean if you have to but make her realize she has one choice and one choice only and that is to go forward. Once that is established you can start adding speed but it's not a matter of her not being able to trot or canter it's a matter of her being totally unwilling to do it. Once you get her moving off your whip, then your voice she will pick up the pace naturally after you've established that you're running the show.
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post #10 of 15 Old 03-17-2010, 04:10 PM
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the bull whip works great if u crack it behind them but let them know first that ur not going to use it to hurt them start by just running it over them i have a bull whip and know how to use it
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