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post #21 of 39 Old 06-13-2012, 01:17 AM
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Your really not helping anyone to help you.
a) your horse can know you, and still hurt you. its a 1000LBS animal with a mind of its own. **** happens. my horse knows me and has un-intentially hurt me a few times, let alone countless times with horses not my own over my 14 years of riding and being around horses. they are unpredictable animals, that are stronger then you, with there own thoughts, feeling, and emotions. thinking she wont hurt you because she knows you is niave, sorry, but its true

b) because you can ride her around bare back and she responds to a bit doesnt mean shes broke. alot more goes into being broke then carrying someone around and listening to the bit. id say, at most, with the info youv given us, shes green broke. and thats at most

c) a horse being kept in a muddy paddock doesnt mean there abused, epeshally depending on the season, sometimes there is no way to prevent the mud, or stop it, etc. nore does not being trimmed regularily mean abuse (pending on there feet)

d) if you dont have a trailor,rent one, or see if she can come to you. Some lesson barns etc might not charge you as much as trainers, but still be good. however, it depends on the trainer, not just hire somebody who says they can train. many people walk the walk and dont talk the talk, you know? ask to see there work and talk with them first

e) chasing your horse around with the saddle, acomplishes nothing, except proving to her that she has power over you, not the other way around. i doubt she is fearful of the saddle but without seeing it i dont know for sure. my advice to you, would be to put her to work when she moves away from the saddle, have her on a lunge line, and when she moves away, put her to work IMEDIATLY, chase her out and keep her going for a few times around you, or until you see signs of her focusing on you (head lowerd, licking lips etc), bring her in, and try again, she refuses, put her to work again IMEDIATLY, no ifs ands or buts. She doesnt want to stand, she works. end of story. other then that LOTS and LOTS of ground work, working on her respecting YOUR space. not coming into your bubble unless you invite her, not walking infront of you, when you stop she stops with you at your shoulder, backing out of your space when you walk towards her etc etc etc. anything that says "I am your leader, this is my space, you do as i say on my terms" and start with that.

Thaats the best advice i can offer,but you do need to work with a trainer. in my persinal experience it helps ALOT! i know my horse and i have come leaps and bounds since we started working with my trainer.

p.s. Congrats on your pregnency, but be extra careful with your mare now
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post #22 of 39 Old 06-13-2012, 05:57 AM
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I am not being rude, harsh or mean, simply putting together the facts.
-You have a horse who cannot be saddled, and bucks you off when and if you can get the saddle on.
-you have no money for a trainer to help you
-you have lost your job
-you are pregnant.

Here is my suggestion, again, I am not trying to sound harsh, but I do not want you or your unborn child hurt, nor should the horse be ruined because of your issues and lack of resources. I would finding a suitable home for the horse. One that knows the horses level of training. You no longer have the resources to put into caring for a horse, especially one that could hurt you. Please do the right thing for the horse, if you won;t do it for yourself or your child.

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post #23 of 39 Old 06-13-2012, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Kayty View Post
Horse is either not as saddle broke as you think (and yes, a lot of horses you will be able to get on bareback with no problem, but they haven't had experience with the saddle), or sore, or was testing you out when you got her and now she's gotten very much wise to your inexperience and is playing on it.

First thing to do - get her checked out by a vet to make sure there is no pain issue.
You can't train the pain out of a horse.

Find someone experienced - that doesn't mean the 15 year old kid from up the road that claims to be an expert. It means a mature person with years of experience and the results to back that up - to help you. Chasing the horse around with a saddle is extremely pointless. You'll always get tired before the horse will, and every step the horse takes away from you, she is winning the 'game'.
Right now, you are training your horse to run away from the saddle.

I don't believe the horse is scared to be honest, I believe she has 100% pulled the wool over your eyes. She thinks she's the boss of the place and you are allowing that to happen.
Without getting some good, solid, professional assistance, this behaviour with compound into a lot more of a problem than you will be able to deal with. When left unchecked, a simple problem can manifest into a dangerous problem.

Please, find some help.
I agree, and after you've done all that make sure you get your saddle checked by a professional saddler just in case it is the saddle which is the problem.

Honestly, I'm gonna suggest this with all seriousness. If you cannot afford to get this horse the help it needs, you've lost your job and you're pregnant I would suggest rehoming your horse.

Do what is best for your horse.
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Agree with the posters saying to rehome the horse. You have neither the skill level nor the financial resources to give this animal the training it needs. If you don't want to get seriously hurt or dead, the animal needs to go to someone who can help it get the training it so obviously lacks.

And for the record, abuse and neglect are NOT the same thing. You can most definitely have one without the other. Slipper feet denote neglect, but not necessarily abuse. Maybe the previous owner, like you now, lost their job and couldn't afford the farrier.

I get so tired of people shrieking ABUSE! when an animal doesn't do something. By your description I don't see an abused animal, I see an untrained one. The fact that YOU can't, makes me believe this horse needs to go to someone who has the experience and abilities to turn them into a good, equine citizen.

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I agree with other posters. OP, don't take offense to posts made, this site is full of experienced, passionate horse owners that don't want to see others get hurt. This sounds like a very dangerous situation for you and your unborn child.

I'd agree that the mare isn't saddle broke or if she was at one point, she needs started at square one and treated as if she wasn't. I wouldn't expect one to dance around as described for saddling after the first few days in training and generally I wouldn't tolerate it even at that early stage. This is why I say if she was broke at one point, she needs started again because it wasn't done right the first time and there are major holes in her training (not abuse) that come well before a saddle even comes into play.

As a mom myself, I wouldn't feel okay giving advice on how to fix this and potentially put you or your unborn child in harm's way. I very much agree with others that have suggested moving this mare on to someone who is in a better position to work through her issues. It just isn't worth taking the risk.

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OP - When responding to posts, please do not use text speak and be sure to use punctuation and spell check because your posts are very hard to understand. The posting style that you have used only feeds to the idea that you are not competent, as of yet, to handle a green horse without the help of a knowledgeable trainer.

Horses are a long term commitment that come with a large financial obligation. Ownership should not be taken lightly. The folks on this forum have offered great advice, in this case, finding a trainer is probably the only safe way to go. With you being without a job and pregnat, you are not in any position to train this horse......

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Most horses buck when they're first saddled or when they're not used to being saddled. It's not something to really freak out about. The worst thing is to have the saddle halfway on and have the mare blow out and get it under her belly.

I might first get to where I could throw the saddle pad up on her without a problem, as this would be easier than carrying a saddle around for 20 minutes trying to get it on her. You want to make sure to do it on both sides so that she sees and feels the pad out of both eyes. This is real important to do since your saddle and then later your legs are going to be on both sides. Then I'd take a (soft and short so you don't get in trouble) rope and run it around her girth area (don't tie it on, just hold it loose) and get her used to what the cinch is going to feel like. Get her to where that's not a big problem for her and the saddling should go easier. When saddled, if she bucks get out of the way and keep encouraging her forward until she evens out. Getting a horse used to a saddle is not very difficult if you're able to prepare them a little bit in advance. It might not even be a bad idea to let her wear it around for a few hours if it's one that you don't mind being rolled on and you have a safe enclosure where she won't get in trouble.
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Originally Posted by mustanglover1992 View Post
kinda is when she's got the extreme mustang compition in Aug, and i dont have a horse trailer plus just losing my job to transport her to. plus i just found out that im pergent. so you guy's if you know of a trainer on her have them message me. cause this really isnt helping me out at all. not to be a witch.
Okay this right here is enough for me as well! I do agree with everyone here who has responded tryinig to help. If you are PREGNANT and this horse is not practically bombproof, and it doesn't sound like it. I, in your case would not be riding! ***In most cases if I was ever pregnant, I wouldn't ride. Accidents happen when you least expect them. This horse obviously is not very well broke and you do need to work with a trainer about saddle breaking and working with the horse in general. BUT considering your situation, I would find the horse a home and save for the baby.

Priorities, priorities, priorities.

I'm sure you have common sense, but horses sometime inhibit that. Please use it, please.

Not trying to be harsh, just completely honest and realistic.
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what part of i cant afforid a trainer, dont none of yall get. ok, im perfectly able to do it myself. all i wanted was any training suggestions for her to get used to the saddle again
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Help the horse, sell it to more responsible owners. Please.

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