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    06-29-2012, 08:12 PM
  #21
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by loosie    
Well, you know best luv. Don't consider listening to anyone else then.
I thought the same thing yesterday but didn't say it. Seemed like vanilla was already defensive
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    06-30-2012, 09:26 PM
  #22
Foal
I was just asking for advice on how I should handle the situation and got more that I wanted. I'm going to continue working with her and she should get better. I feel like everyone just wants to tell me what is and isn't right. I know my horse, you don't. I appreciate your concern but I'm not hurting her. It seems that my horse is lazy, not having back problems from my riding. Just for the hell of it, I'll have my mom check her back (she's the best horse person I know and is also a trainer). I'll just keep training her the way I am because if I ask for help, I have people telling me I'm doing everything wrong. This is the first horse I've trained and I'm still learning a lot. I'm a kid. Like, seriously, so obviously I'd take criticism more to heart than an adult. If I mess up this horse, then I mess her up and I learn from it. We all have different ways of working with horses. There's no "right" way. Okay? Thanks.
     
    06-30-2012, 10:12 PM
  #23
Trained
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Originally Posted by xVannaIsLifex    
I was just asking for advice on how I should handle the situation and got more that I wanted.
Yes, that can often happen. If you knew what you were going to get, you wouldn't need to ask.

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I know my horse, you don't. I appreciate your concern but I'm not hurting her.
You may know *your* horse, but it sounds like you have little if any understanding for development of ALL horses, and you don't want to even consider the possibility that you are indeed hurting her.

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Just for the hell of it, I'll have my mom check her back (she's the best horse person I know and is also a trainer).
Good for you, but just because she's a trainer & horseperson doesn't mean she knows diddly about backs & bodywork & I'm thinking that if she hasn't already said anything to you about riding babies, she knows very little in that particular area.

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I'll just keep training her the way I am because if I ask for help, I have people telling me I'm doing everything wrong. This is the first horse I've trained and I'm still learning a lot.
I think a smarter approach - especially as you admit you're a novice trainer & have a lot to learn - is not to be so close-minded and ask for & *consider* advice. Yes, we all have different attitudes about things & often have disagreements, but if you won't even consider different opinions/information, where does that leave you - or more to the point, your poor horses??

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I'm a kid. Like, seriously, so obviously I'd take criticism more to heart than an adult. If I mess up this horse, then I mess her up and I learn from it.
The first 5 words above tell me you're a kid but why is that supposed to make you 'take criticism to heart', and if that's the case, why don't you do it?? It didn't start out as criticism either, but respectful information. It's become criticism - on my part anyway, because you seem so close minded & uncaring of your horses. Don't take it to heart because we say, don't take our word for it, but start taking it to heart & being considerate for your horse's sake, if you care for her at all.

If you were dealing with an inanimate, unfeeling thing, then go ahead & do what you like, but if you 'mess her up'(assuming it's not already too late), you don't just learn from it, you force another sentient being to suffer. Have some consideration for other than yourself & have some of that 'heart' you say kids have more of.
     
    06-30-2012, 10:21 PM
  #24
Showing
OP, we give advice because you ask for it. We all have our own way of teaching a horse particular things. But there is a blatant wrong way to do things, especially if they lead to dangerous situations, which we get very passionate about.

I don't know which post upset you most, but it would be best to break it down for your horse. Desensitize this horse to her tack.. as in teach this horse that the saddle is nothing to worry about.

If it is causing pain or discomfort, it's ALWAYS best to check that 5 times over, first. Because no matter the lesson, if pain is involved.. doubt the horse will ever be completely okay with what's being taught.

Check the saddle fit, check for any protruding nails or burrs. Check the pad, check her back; check her girth line, check her girth. Check her feet and check your OWN emotions and body language. Check how you handle things, check the speed, check her expression as you do things. Check your timing, check her mouth, check the bridle, check how you ride.

Check everything. And if there is no improvement, have the vet come out to make sure she's okay internally too. Or you may have missed something.

Then if nothing comes up, start focusing more on behavior. Don't get mad at her for evading.. just work with her to accept the saddle and bridle and other tack without getting nervous.

By the way, this is coming from a beginner who trained her own horse. The same horse who would bolt backwards, sideways, any direction to get away from people, tack, everything. Especially western saddles.. big ones. He really had some trouble with those. He got over it via the Aussie I rode him in for a good handful of months.

I did all of the above. Otherwise I'm not a trainer.

But it pays to check, double, triple, quadruple check.
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    06-30-2012, 10:23 PM
  #25
Weanling
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Originally Posted by xVannaIsLifex    
Professional trainer? First of all, I can't afford that. My grandmother, who pays for my horses, just manages to afford my two horses. Second of all, I find that very offensive. I work really hard with my horses and I've always wanted to be a trainer. When she was a year and a half, I rode her bareback, at a walk, for ten to twenty minutes. I did that about once of twice a week. I would never push her too hard. Saddlebag, I'll try that if she starts acting that way again. After yesterday, it's really seeming like she's just lazy and didn't want to work.
How old are you? You sound young, just based off the title of this thread.

Have you ever ridden with a professional? Not just lessons, but actually learning and absorbing everything you can about training a horse?

Even professional trainers take the time to learn from others to improve their skills, and will even send a horse they are not clicking with or having a difficult time with to another professional that can assess and work out the issue objectively.

This will sound harsh, but if your grandmother can barely just afford your two horses, then maybe you should re-prioritize. Downsize to a single horse, find a professional that will let you work off riding time, or something.

The best thing you can give your horse is a solid foundation and education. A horse that is a willing partner and well-broke is a much easier sell if necessary than a horse that has been trained by a youth without an experienced teacher helping her.
     
    06-30-2012, 10:51 PM
  #26
Foal
What do you mean by "*your*"? She is my horse. I've had her for almost three years and I helped pay for her. I can't even describe how much I care about this horse. I've gone through absolute hell and back with her. This is the only thing that I had for a very long time. My mom knows a little bit of everything you can know about horses. She let me train her by myself. She's been training for years and told me that she let me start riding her so young because I wasn't riding her hard and I wasn't planning on riding her hard or overworking her. She could have taken over her training if she wanted if she wanted, but she didn't. If you read my replies, I am taking advice, it's just not from you. I'm also trying something my mom suggested. By ruining her, I'm not saying that I plan on causing her to be put down. By that, I mean she has to be retired early. If that were to happen, I'd start horses at 2 with the same light work I already do. I take criticism more to heart, I take it more seriously than most would. In all honesty, I feel hated on by you and a few others. I've always wanted to be a trainer and the way people are helping me makes me feel like I shouldn't even bother working with horses because I'm nowhere near good enough. I have very few people already believing in my abilities with horses. By very few, I mean eight people at the most. The last time I rode my horse, I remembered what everyone said about the saddle fit and I checked it a ridiculous amount of times before I even got on her. I checked everything to see if she was in discomfort or not. She reacted fine. No "don't touch me" spots, no pinned ears, no head tosses, no problems at all. I got on her and sat on her and she stood there and wasn't phased at all. I walked her and she responded the way I've taught her to. I turned her, no problems. I backed her up, not problems. I walked her up and down hill, no problems. I didn't trot her the last time because I didn't want her to get sweaty because it's hot out. The time before last it was cool out so I trotted her. She didn't seen to have a problem at all. Even when I first began sitting on her, she never reacted in a negative way. I've seen her in a bad mood and I've backed off from her and didn't push her to do anything. I never push her further than she's capable of. Ever. I'm used to being around and riding multiple times of horses and I have a huge amount of experience. Completely training a horse is new to me, but handling horses on and off the ground is not.
     
    06-30-2012, 10:59 PM
  #27
Foal
I turn 14 in late July. We gave my yearling away but he came back because I'm moving to a new barn that is so much cheaper. Once I move, I only have to pay for grain and work around the barn to keep them there. I've never gotten professional lessons. My mom has taught me a small amount of what I know. I've had a friend teach me walk, trot, and a few other things in English. I've taught myself a lot. I learn wherever I can. I went to a friend's show today and learned a hand full of things. I really do try to be the best horseperson I can. I know a lot about heard behavior, which help me a lot. I'm not a genius when it comes to riding styles. I ride a mixture of ways in a western saddle. I'm not a perfect rider but I can stay on whatever I choose to ride fairly well. The friend whose show I went to is giving me English lessons on her horse soon. She's 19 but has trained two horses and is going to regionals, then nationals in both English and western in the Arabian Horse Association. She knows what she's doing and is amazing at it.
     
    06-30-2012, 11:33 PM
  #28
Trained
Honestly, I'm with everyone else in thinking that there's a pain issue here. Have her teeth ever been done? If so, when were they done last? She might just simply not like the regular two-piece snaffle and that's why she's throwing her head up.

When we started Aires as a two-year-old (he was two and a few months, actually), my BO started him in a tom thumb, but only for the first couple of times he was bitted up. After that, I got my own loose ring snaffle for him to use. Aires hated the two-piece snaffle and would fight it, so I bought an eggbutt french link (three-piece) snaffle and he's now quiet and responsive to it. So, it could very well be that her shooting her head up into the air is her way of telling you she doesn't like the bit you're using. My friend's arab gelding became extremely head shy with the bridle because she had him in a hackamore (what she was told he rode in by the BO who gave him to her) and she had the Quick Stop on backwards and didn't know it. She switched the hackamore around and he was fine. Then she switched to a bit because she needed more control when they did endurance and the hack wasn't working for her and didn't realize he needed his teeth done, so he went back to being head shy about the bridle. After he got his teeth floated, he's better, but she still has issue with him sometimes. Horses remember pain WAY more than they remember the good stuff.

Don't feel "hated on." The people on this forum have a WEALTH of knowledge. Between the few that have answered your thread, there's probably enough years of experience to equal your age three or four times over. I'd be willing to bet they all have more experience combined than your friend and your mom together. If they are concerned that you started your mare too young, maybe you should be listening rather than throwing a fit every time someone says something you don't like. You are trying so hard to make yourself come across as more adult than you actually are, but every time you get your hackles up over something someone says, it really shows your age.

When I first said that I started Aires as a two (and a few months)-year-old, I caught a lot of flack for it. However, my two-year-old was physically mature enough to carry a well-seated adult rider and mentally mature enough to handle learning what was being taught. He was also cleared by the vet when he was gelded (at two years and two months old) to be started lightly. All his riding was simply walk and putting a foundation on him. He trotted once his first time in the arena, but after that it was only walk (except a couple of accidental trots on the trail to catch up to the horse in front of us). He's now three and we're starting to trot.

I was also confused by something you said in post #26 (sorry, didn't think to quote it). You said that the last time you rode her, you didn't trot her because you "didn't want her to get sweaty because it's hot out." Ummmmmm...that's what the hose is for. Aires gets a hose down (not a bath, just a quick rinse) every time he's ridden or worked, whether it's for five minutes or two hours on the trail.
     
    06-30-2012, 11:58 PM
  #29
Showing
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Originally Posted by DraftyAiresMum    

I was also confused by something you said in post #26 (sorry, didn't think to quote it). You said that the last time you rode her, you didn't trot her because you "didn't want her to get sweaty because it's hot out." Ummmmmm...that's what the hose is for. Aires gets a hose down (not a bath, just a quick rinse) every time he's ridden or worked, whether it's for five minutes or two hours on the trail.
To be fair that's a smart thing for the OP to do. If a horse works out in high heat.. they can get dehydrated very quickly. Better to keep it slow on hot days unless you're having that horse stuffed with a lot of electrolytes and water (which has SOME electrolytes in it already.)
     
    07-01-2012, 12:11 AM
  #30
Foal
My horse has recently had a loose tooth but she doesn't need her teeth done. A good amount of my rides until the last one were bareback, in a halter, and rope as reins. The bit I use now was recommended by a friend who knows a lot more about bits than I do. I switched bits because the one before wasn't working for her because she wouldn't listen half the time. By that, I mean she would make it harder to turn or stop. I'm not trying to make myself sound older. I'm also not trying to throw a fit. I'm trying to defend myself from everyone saying everything I do is bad and I don't care about my horses. Obviously, I'd be upset over something like that because I do care about my horses. I don't think being told I'm doing things wrong is fair. My horse doesn't show that she's in pain in any part of her body. I would never intentionally hurt my horse. I didn't ride her past a walk the other day because it was in the 90's and I didn't want her getting too hot. Working my horse hard when it's hot is just something I don't like to do. Also, I'm teaching her to barrel race and I walked her through the course at least five times.
     

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