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post #1 of 18 Old 05-19-2011, 06:49 AM Thread Starter
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My horse keeps facing his bum to me!

Ok so as the title says Sammy keeps facing his bum to me. I see this as disrespectful, neither of my other horses do it only Sam.

He has done this from the moment I got him. The only time he has done it in a real aggressive way was when I was lunging and he turned it towards me and starting backing up. When he did that I brought his head around to face me though I don't think I hit him on the bum. Normally he just does it out in the paddock like when he goes to walk away from you. I get that his back will be to me to an extent if he walks away. What annoys me is he will do it right in front of you and if you don't move sometimes his bum would just knock you out of the way. He will also sometimes just simply turn his bum to you and stand there. He hasn't actually tried to kick when doing it he simply faces his bum to you. I don't want him to think this is acceptable and maybe someone gets kicked one day. If I am in a position where I can't be kicked and I have something like a whip with me I normally hit him on the bum. He normally reacts by running away a short distance. He also does it when you try to catch him he will turn his bum to you and walk off (sometimes).

When he tried this a couple of days ago I had my lunging rope with me and I hit him on the bum when he turned away and he took off and stopped a small distance away from me. He was facing me and stayed facing me and didn't try to run off again. I'm not sure if I'm just making the situation worse or if I need to make my point clearer. It just doesn't seem to be getting through to him. If he faces me I make a fuss over him and when he faces his bum to me I hit him on the bum.

I do groundwork with him. He really seems to have no idea when you do stuff on the ground with him. When I first got him he went backwards, forwards and stopped. He seemed to have no clue about moving only his hindquarters or anything. He only just seems to be getting the hang of if I put pressure here you are supposed to move that and only that.

If anyone made it through this and it acually made sense any tips would be appreciated. I'm not sure if I have the complete wrong idea or what. Thanks

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post #2 of 18 Old 05-19-2011, 07:25 AM
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My horse actually does this as well... because he wants his bum scratched. It seems I do a better job than a random post or tree. He's never turned on me in an aggressive manner... just wants me to get an itch he cant reach :) If I don't have time to take care of that for him I just give him a pat and he goes off and finds a tree or something. It is rather rude behavior I'll agree.. but I get where it's coming from so I pick and choose the times where it's acceptable... yes, my horse is spoiled rotten.
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post #3 of 18 Old 05-19-2011, 07:30 AM Thread Starter
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That is where I think this behavious may have originated. I was told one of his previous owners spoiled him A LOT. Not to sound like I'm aiming this at you. :)

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along with our dogs Patch and Bear.
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post #4 of 18 Old 05-19-2011, 07:52 AM
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I will say, my filly does this when she wants her butt scratched but you said he will turn his butt toward you when you go to catch him. That's disrespect and needs a good pop on the butt. Which it sounds like you have done. But catch him, make sure you have him under control and anytime he offers his rear, pop him and face him towards you. Every time he does it. Make him think twice before he offers you his butt. Not acceptable.
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Good so I am on the right track with how I respond.

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post #6 of 18 Old 05-19-2011, 08:55 AM
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My horse actually does this as well... because he wants his bum scratched.
Mine too. However ONLY when I allow her to do that.

OP, I'd just move his hind every time he makes a single attempt to swing it towards you. As long as he disengage the bum and move it away from you just relax and keep going with your stuff again.

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post #7 of 18 Old 05-19-2011, 04:31 PM
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There was one day he just wouldn't stop.. I would shoo him off and he would come right back and give his butt to me... holding his tail off to the side a bit. I finally gave in and took a look and sure enough... big fat tick under his tail that was driving him insane.
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post #8 of 18 Old 05-19-2011, 09:31 PM
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get him to move his hip over maybe? my horse very rarely turns his butt to me anymore because i did a VERY long lunging session with him. everytime i let him stop if he turned his butt to me i made him go, and i didnt let him stop until he turned and faced me.

but in my lessons right now we are doing alot of ground work, and one of the things we are working one is controling his hip and the direction he turns. My instructor told me that when your working with them on the ground with lunging etc when they turn, if they turn to the outside/away from you they are trying to get away so what you wants is for them to turn to the inside/towards you.

i'll try and explain the hip over exersize we were working on last lesson, but i'm horrible at explaining things so...bear with me please, and feel free to ask questions to clarify because.. well as i said i suck as explaining things (its why i didnt consider riding instructor as a career lol)

we were doing this in an arena, but she said it works better in a round ring sometimes.basicly she has me lung him on a small circle so i still had controle, but he had a nice bend. so i would lung him a few circles and then when he got just past the half way point of his circle i would back up towards the wall, so i was a horse lenth/half a horse length away from it. So my horse would have the option of either a) stoping and respecting my persinal space or b) charging through my space which is dispespectful. if he chose option b) you smack his butt (with a crop/whip) on his way by, sort of like how a horse would bite him if he had done that. now if he chose option a) he can either stop, or turn and go the other direction. My horse stoped and faced me. when he did that i had to pay attencion to his body. I wanted him in a direct line facing me. usually his hip was kinda cocked out/not a straight line. so it poiint the whip at it and he'd move it over. once he did that i'd "disengage" my whip as a reward. if needed you could tap them with the whip etc.

basicly what this exersize is doing is giving you complete controle over there movement/hip and also putting alot of stress that they have to respect you and your persinal space...

anyways i HOPE that made sence, but it probabaly didnt..... if, by chance you understand a word of what i was saying. hopefully it was some help and was relivent to your horses training/needs.

but you now understand why i will never be a riding instructor haha somewhere between my brain and my mouth my words get all jumbled up and confused
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post #9 of 18 Old 05-20-2011, 02:42 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks this sounds like something I could try with him. When you say back away do you mean walk backwards away from the horse continuing to face it if it keeps moving?

Otherwise the rest of it makes sense. I hope my question makes sense

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post #10 of 18 Old 05-20-2011, 06:33 PM
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Thanks this sounds like something I could try with him. When you say back away do you mean walk backwards away from the horse continuing to face it if it keeps moving?

Otherwise the rest of it makes sense. I hope my question makes sense
wow, i'm amazed you actually understood all that! your my new hero haha.
but yes thats what i ment. keep facing your horse. when he gets halfway to 3/4 around the cricle start walking backwords towards the wall. leave enough space so if he desides to run through your space he can do so without actaully running you over and hurting you. but make sure he gets "bitten" on his way by. make sure you dont look hesitent when your backing up, like just back up at a normal pace ( that was my issue the first few times i tried it) and make sure he times to see what your doing and evaluate the situation. until you both become for confadent with the exercise you dont want to be suddenly jumping out infront of him.

The end result is that you want to beable to stand by the wall have him go around, , weild the hip, turn around do his half circle in the other direction, get to the wall, weild hip, turn,back in the other direction again and keep doing it. its basicly like a dance.

Its a Chris irwin technique so if it works for you guys maybe look up more of his exercises.
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