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post #1 of 34 Old 03-08-2013, 07:25 PM Thread Starter
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my horse overflexs when i collect her!!

So, my question is how can i get her to hold her head higher up but still tucked in. im not good with the "proper term" for it lol... but she is a gaited horse and wonderful but she tucks her head in too much! i have a horse show coming up next month and wanted some help on her "headset" ... she has shown before, but whenever she gets that perfect headset she drops it back down almost to her chest! and is there any tips on how i can get her to step higher with her front feet? she kinda shuffles more than steps

Please help!!!

the first picture is how she hold her head when riding, ignore the riders hands, she is a new rider and sat on her for a few minutes, no matter who is on her she holds her head that way and she usually holds it lower than what is in this picture,

The second picture is how i want her to hold her head, or close to it :)
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post #2 of 34 Old 03-08-2013, 08:28 PM
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Hands in both photos are incorrect.

And I imagine problem could be solved, if you are using curb chain, by loosening it.

If not using curb chain, which you should be on a shanked bit, I would say your hands are too heavy, not soft enough.

Horse is not getting any release when tucks head, so keeps tucking more and more trying to get relief.

How are you holding your hands, how responsive is horse to your cues, and what type of curb chain are you using?

And where did you get picture of man plow reining in a show ring????
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post #3 of 34 Old 03-08-2013, 08:39 PM
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Her conformation may not permit her to comfortably carry her head "higher". Not all horses are capable of carrying their head at a sharp upward angle from their shoulders.

The reason she's tucking her face is because you're cranking on the bit in an attempt to keep her head "higher". She's just avoiding the pressure on her mouth the only way she knows how, by tucking her nose down to her chest.

Step 1: Get rid of the curb bit and try a snaffle until she learns to move properly
Step 2: Quit hanging on the reins as that's just making the whole situation worse; causing her to evade, then hollow, then completely fall apart
Step 3: Get a trainer/instructor. Someone who can teach you how to properly ride a horse and ask for collection

A horse that knows how to use their body properly will have a head that falls where it needs to. A horse that has a rider that worries about "headset" will never be able to move properly because the rider will be a hindrance.

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post #4 of 34 Old 03-08-2013, 08:44 PM Thread Starter
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like i said above, ignore the rider because she is new at it, when I ride i am light in her mouth i dont yank on her or anything, she is riding in a snaffle bit, i am not being a "hindrance" to her while riding, it doesnt matter if you try to collect her or not, she will hold her head to her chest, i am asking for tips, not criticism. she is light in the mouth therefore i am light on the reins. if you hold the reins at all she tucks them like that, i dont use a severe bit on her at all and she is using a regular chain curb chain
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She is avoiding the excessive bit pressure, so she tucks her head behind the vertical for relief. She needs to be taught to seek out bit pressure and come to your hand. You need to go back to a snaffle and have an instructor on the ground to help you, looks like you are getting really good at doing the wrong thing.
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post #6 of 34 Old 03-08-2013, 08:53 PM
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So many things wrong in your photo.

- your hands are incorrect.
- stirrups too long
- foot shoved all the way into stirrup
- cranking on poor horses mouth

This is in no way "collection".

Find a trainer and go back to square one regarding the horse and your riding.
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post #7 of 34 Old 03-08-2013, 08:57 PM
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Can you please post a picture of the bit you are using? If it is the one on her in the picture, that isn't a snaffle. If you're using a curb chain on a real snaffle that is incorrect and does nothing as well.
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OP, it would help greatly if you had a more recent photo illustrating your truth of riding, not what a newb is doing to her. This is where the confusion is coming from. People can only critique what you show them and their response to the pic you posted is an honest assessment.
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As frustrating as this thread was at first New Headset Thread I got tons of great advice from it (you kind of have to sift through the arguing and me acting like a butthead the first few pages, haha). But I feel like if you read this, it will help you a lot. I know it's different styles of riding, but in the end bit accepting and headset is still the same.
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It would really help if you get on her and show a picture of yourself or a video. Also, that is not a simple snaffle which is really what you need. Looks more like a Tom Thumb.

Cute horse.
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