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    09-27-2010, 12:08 PM
  #11
Foal
There are a couple of earlier posts on this, so you might want to search the Forum. I've copied an earlier post on this here. I agree with kevinshorses, but prefer to use a neck rope with a rope halter because I was worried about a broken neck. As for the digging/weaving, I use front leg hobbles for this. It also helps teach them to give if they get tangled in a fence.

Well, my mare is a big one for pulling back. I thought I had her sacked out on it, and tied her to a low ring about 4 feet off the ground. In the few seconds I was out of sight, she managed to get the rope over her nose, and wrapped around both front legs. I came around corner of barn to find her tied with her face to her feet and freaking out. I had to cut the lead rope to release her. She learned through this experience to not only pull back, but then leap forward throwing her front feet up (and sometimes over).

Here is what I have learned:

1) Make sure the distance from the halter to the rail is short. Yes, if she wants to pull back a short lead will make them react, but if it is longer than your forearm, they can (and will) get it wrapped over their head and/or legs.

2) I use a neck rope like the one described in this forum. She can pull on it as hard as she wants.

3) I would recommend a rope halter (not leather or webbing). I think the webbing halter (and I tried one) provides too much surface area across the poll, so there isn't an immediate consequence to pulling back. When I shifted to a rope halter to train her for tieing, some of the pull back intensity decreased. Also, right after a big pull back, I was working her with a halter and could tell her poll was tender, so - for me - this helped.

5) Body rope: I like them for training. Make sure they have a big hondo so they release immediately upon the horse giving. I've seen a good video of this on YouTube but couldn't find it. As discussed before, rope goes over girth area, through front legs and through the halter loop. When horse pulls back, they self-cinch and react (See #1 above). What is difficult about this rope for me is my mare's tendency to rear/leap forward after she sits down. If she gets the rope off to the side, or around a leg, my problems would increase exponentially.

6) I don't like the inner tube option. With my mare, it seems like if she gets any give at all, she goes harder and harder, so the "spring" of the tube just sets her off more.

7) One of my training challenges with this is she won't do it if I am standing anywhere close. So, I can't stand on the rail and work the rope, or do the "approach/retreat" stuff discussed earlier. So, I have to tie her and go hide and watch.

8) Learn to tie knots that can be released after lots of pressure. Bowline knots, etc. are designed so they can be worked loose after a big pull. Others tighten to the point they cannot be undone (or take a lot of time). Use easy to untie knots anywhere the rope may be pulled.

9) When I tie her, I use a clove hitch around the hitching rail (with a quick release loop), then tie a bowline around the rail at the end of the rope. If, somehow, she broke the clove hitch, she would still be tied.

10) Since I can't stand there and create a situation where she will pull back, I have to walk out of sight, hide and watch her. That means she basically has to work out the issue without my intervention. This makes it challenging and somewhat risky for her. I don't like it, but can't think of a better way. If I keep rushing to the rescue, I'm giving her the reward she is seeking (company), so she just pulls back harder the next time.

11) Have a very sharp, long bladed knife readily available. If you need to cut the horse loose, you will want to be able to do it in one movement. I like one that has sharpened serrations on it.

12) I think (knocking wood), that with these "techniques" I've solved my pull back problem, but my mare seems to have a knack at finding new ways to be challenging. Now she stands at the rail and digs to China. So next we add hobbles (after making sure she is trained to them).

I'm not saying or implying my way is "right." Its what I've had to do to get this crazy lady to stand still.

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    09-27-2010, 03:04 PM
  #12
Foal
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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
Tie her with a rope halter and leadrope that will not break to something that will not break and then let her pull back. Stay close and be ready to cut her loose if she falls down and is choking. When I've had horses that pull back I wave my hat at them until they won't pull back anymore. Then I give them a pet on the head and go about my business with them.
I Tie all my horses in cowboy halter or rope halters ( I think their called cowboy halters ) and I tie her to a pipe fence that is set in the ground and she has flipped over and got back up and numerous times ( and broke ) and one day she didnt do it anymore and I thought heye she figured it out but shedid it the next week ?. And she will do it when your leading her too.?
     
    09-27-2010, 03:08 PM
  #13
Foal
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Originally Posted by RhondaLynn    
I had a mare a couple of years ago that was wonderful except..... When tied she would seem to forget she was tied and feel the rope and EXPLODE she broke several leads and snaps. I got her one of those bungee cord type lead/tie and never had another problem. This might not help you but it absolutely SOLVED my problem.

Rhonda
I've seen those before and I think I'll pick one up and see if it works , it worth trying , Thanks a bunch.
     
    09-27-2010, 04:34 PM
  #14
Started
I had a mare that had learned that if she pulled back while tied, and got loose, she was done for the day, so she made a habit of breaking her halters. Because she was doing it out of habit, and not out of any real fear, I did the rope halter and stand there and let her pull back until SHE realizes that its not getting her anywhere. I never had a problem with her tying anymore, though when I was at my tack shed, I just ground tied her, just cause it is an invaluable tool to be able to use. I had an Arabian that for whatever reason had learned to get away with pulling in the cross ties, and the more you "fought" with him (ie tied him up with a rope halter or something), the harder he'd fight, so my trainer at the time tied him in the cross ties, and stood there with a crop, and every time he tried to go backwards, she would just tap him with the crop, make him move forward until the pressure on the halter was released, then step back, and wait for him to do it again. After a little while, he stopped doing it, and never had a problem again. No matter what you decide to do though, make sure that you are present, just to make sure that she does not seriously injure herself. My current mare actually ground ties wonderfully (go figure that with little to no work before I got her, she can ground tie), but she does get a little leery when I tie her up, so I don't push the issue at the moment because I have no reason or need to have her physically tied to something, so its a work in progress. She ground ties, and that's good enough for me for now.
     
    09-28-2010, 04:02 PM
  #15
Foal
Is it when she backs up and feels the pressue she freaks out or just he concept of being tied to something ? My tb had a scare when he spooked and pulled the stable door he was tied to off, so he has a fear of what he was tied to falling and so would freak and try to back up and break free. I had to get him used to the rope being looped through but not tied until he established it was safe now he ties up no problem. I can give you a more indepth explaination if you feel it would be useful but it may be a totally differnt trigger with your horse.
Kay
     
    09-28-2010, 06:45 PM
  #16
Foal
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Originally Posted by Kay26    
Is it when she backs up and feels the pressue she freaks out or just he concept of being tied to something ? My tb had a scare when he spooked and pulled the stable door he was tied to off, so he has a fear of what he was tied to falling and so would freak and try to back up and break free. I had to get him used to the rope being looped through but not tied until he established it was safe now he ties up no problem. I can give you a more indepth explaination if you feel it would be useful but it may be a totally differnt trigger with your horse.
Kay
From what I can tell is she will get scared of someting but then she starts to back up you know, to get away from what she getting scared of and then its like when she's feels the presure from the halter and she forgets about what she WAS scared about and now she's in complete panic about the halter. ( Becouse usaully after a spell of her doing this ill try to jog with her and when she feels the presure of the rope she freaks then too, but I can usally fix that( while were joging)
     
    09-28-2010, 06:50 PM
  #17
Started
Here is a good thread on the issue that your having!

The Neck Rope

And

How to make a neck rope

<sigh> I miss Riosdad.
     
    09-28-2010, 07:41 PM
  #18
Yearling
If a horse gets scared his first tendecy is to run. Well, if the horse is tied, she feels the pressure of the halter and realizes she can't run, so she freaks out even more thinking she is trapped. Are you sure she was properly trained to stand tied in the beginning?

Where does she do this? If you tie her in a 'safe zone' like in the picture, will she act up there? Perhaps she feels safe with the other horses, but if you lead her somewhere else and tie her, she doesn't feel safe with just you? Have you ever done join-up with her or established some sort of trust bond?
     
    09-29-2010, 01:27 PM
  #19
Foal
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Originally Posted by ChevyPrincess    
If a horse gets scared his first tendecy is to run. Well, if the horse is tied, she feels the pressure of the halter and realizes she can't run, so she freaks out even more thinking she is trapped. Are you sure she was properly trained to stand tied in the beginning?

Where does she do this? If you tie her in a 'safe zone' like in the picture, will she act up there? Perhaps she feels safe with the other horses, but if you lead her somewhere else and tie her, she doesn't feel safe with just you? Have you ever done join-up with her or established some sort of trust bond?
umm no i;ve never heard of join up before
     
    09-29-2010, 01:41 PM
  #20
Foal
Well my horse was scared of being tied up, just the general concept. I started doing work in his stable, putting head collar on and acting like I was tying him up but then just looping the rope through twine without actually tying him up. That way he thought he was tied up but if he gets a fright there is no pressue and no way to injure himself. First few times he backed up but when nothing really happened and I just gave him a pat and put it back through. Everytime he stood I would give him a small piece of carrot/apple etc even if it was just for a few second before backing up. Eventually after a few days I could tie him in his stable properly and he would stand no bother to be groomed etc. You want to teach them being tied up wont result in anything scarey happening to them. Then I would repeat the exercise outside the stall in a secure place ie with the main barn doors shut so he couldn't get out if he got a fright a did the same just looped it through and built it up untill and can tie him outside his stall and he's fine munching his hay, getting shod etc. May take days/weeks/months depending on your horse but he caught on to the aim pretty quickly. This method may not work for you but it wont do any harm to try. Just watch if you do use some of the other suggestions of tying her to something soild that she can't break from because she could strain her neck/back and hurt her pole if she's putting alot of pressue on the rope and halter panicking because when he pulled the stable door of that strated his fear he strained his neck and had to have some massages/physio to ease the tension. Best of luck whichever method you choose.
Kay
     

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