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post #1 of 15 Old 12-12-2012, 01:16 AM Thread Starter
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my horse wont go forward

So I have a horse and he is green and hasn't been ridden in a couple months he isn't my horse I'm just working with him and he walks like a drunken sailor then when I try to get him walking back by the fence and ask him to turn he seems to think I want him to flex so he starts flexing and then when I get him to stop flexing (because he will just hold it) I ask him to go forward and he starts to go backwards and if I try to stop him with a one rein stop he either flexes or he does circles and I'm not putting leg pressure on at all. What should indo? He is VERY good at his ground work he can yield his hind legs with me looking at them and pointing and all that shnazzy stuff. Any suggestions of what to do?
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post #2 of 15 Old 12-12-2012, 03:06 AM
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When you say he is "green", has he been backed at all before? Who started him? Can you ask him how they asked him to move on? How are you asking him to move forward? How are you asking him to turn?

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post #3 of 15 Old 12-12-2012, 03:11 AM
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When you ask him to turn put leg pressure. He can bend his head around its ok, I've had some do that at first. Don't let him quit stepping though. Pop his butt with a whip if you need. If he tries to do a circle put pressure on the other rein and straiten him out.

Least he moves lol mine I'm working with is a lazy little ****.
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Just another horse that has been over-flexed and under-taught to go forward and follow his nose.

I would be ground driving him and would spank his butt to make him go forward every time I 'smooched' to him.

By the way, flexing or doing a 'one rein stop' is intended to stop a horse that is going forward. When a horse WON'T go forward, you need to put more pressure on their butt or ribs, not do more 'stopping'.

Flexing is a useful tool -- It is not the be all - end all to teach a horse. It does not do anything more than to stop a horse and have a horse give you his head. It interrupts or stops forward impulsion, not help you to get it.

Groud drive this horse. He is not going to ride any better than he drives. He needs forward impulsion and need to learn how to follow his nose. Flexing one teaches neither.

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Just another horse that has been over-flexed and under-taught to go forward and follow his nose.&lt;/p&gt;</p>
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<p>&lt;p&gt;I would be ground driving him and would spank his butt to make him go forward every time I 'smooched' to him. &lt;/p&gt;</p>
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<p>&lt;p&gt;By the way, flexing or doing a 'one rein stop' is intended to stop a horse that is going forward. When a horse WON'T go forward, you need to put more pressure on their butt or ribs, not do more 'stopping'.&lt;/p&gt;</p>
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<p>&lt;p&gt;Flexing is a useful tool -- It is not the be all - end all to teach a horse. It does not do anything more than to stop a horse and have a horse give you his head. It interrupts or stops forward impulsion, not help you to get it. &lt;/p&gt;</p>
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<p>&lt;p&gt;Groud drive this horse. He is not going to ride any better than he drives. He needs forward impulsion and need to learn how to follow his nose. Flexing one teaches neither.
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Well when I one rein stop him we are usually moving not too much but we are&lt;/p&gt;</p>
lt;p&gt;How can I get him to stop flexikg though he just naturally does it even if you are just sitting there the mare he is in the pasture with does the same thing but she listens when you want to go but she is a lot more seasoned
But thank you I will try that! Its hard because he has soooo much potential and its hard being patient for him to get there but thanks again I'll let you know the results once the ground isn't all mushy from rain
Also how do I make him stop doing the loopy circle things? He is flexed but I'm not even holding the reins at this point because I want to make sure I'm not mixing signals</p>

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Anytime he does not keep his head straight in front of him and THAT is what you want him to do, just bump his mouth with the outside rein. Just do not accept his head anywhere but where you want it.

The worst thing that you accept and do not correct is the best thing you are going to get. Stop letting him control where his head is.

Again, these horses have had waaaay to much flexing done and way to little of anything else, particularly demanding forward impulsion. Good riding performance does not happen at a stand-still, especially if the horse's nose is on your foot. This is just the CA program over-done and taken to an extreme without doing the rest of the program.
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The fact that he went backwards instead of forward with leg pressure tells me he has no clue what leg pressure means. I think it was CA I was recently reading about this from. But he explained that when 'squeezed' with leg pressure, forward is the last place a horse will look for it. What he did (and what I would do if I didn't have the magic that is Clicker Training :P) is teach the horse on the ground - that when you apply pressure to one rein that it isn't to just turn their nose to their side, but to also disengage their hip.

I also agree some quality ground driving will help teach a horse 'forward' - will also help with verbal commands that can translate to mounted work.
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The fact that he went backwards instead of forward with leg pressure tells me he has no clue what leg pressure means. I think it was CA I was recently reading about this from. But he explained that when 'squeezed' with leg pressure, forward is the last place a horse will look for it. What he did (and what I would do if I didn't have the magic that is Clicker Training :P) is teach the horse on the ground - that when you apply pressure to one rein that it isn't to just turn their nose to their side, but to also disengage their hip.

I also agree some quality ground driving will help teach a horse 'forward' - will also help with verbal commands that can translate to mounted work.
well he goes forward sometimes but then randomly he starts doing his little circle flex dance I think a big problem might be that he hates to be alon. I forgot to mention this before should I make him get use to it or ride with another person until he has more experience
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Flexing is the stage of prelearning in case of the one rein stop. Its on you to learn the rest.
With that forward exercise, there are 2 posibly things. Or he does not know that he have to give to pressure or he does not know that the command you are giving, means forward.
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post #10 of 15 Old 12-13-2012, 11:11 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks everyone I rode him yesterday and everything went beautifully when he wanted to keep going in circles circles are what we did and I just waited for him to stop when he wanted to go backwards I kicked and he went forward after going backwards about three steps only did it once! Now he wants to go forward without me asking which is a lot easier to fix I'm so relieved
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