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        01-15-2009, 10:09 PM
      #11
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    Originally Posted by brittany    
    Yes, she longes fine with a halter and lead outside of the roundpen, but I just don't understand why she won't free longe.

    I've tried longeing her with my 15 year old Quarter Horse gelding that I used to have...at first she'd stand by the gate of the roundpen while he ran around her...after a while he started getting closer and closer to her and tried to get her to run with him so she'd get out of his way...she did follow him and went around the roundpen a few times, but the whole time she was looking for her chance to get safely back to the gate without him plowing into her...sometimes she'd come running straight at me with her neck and head stretched in the air like she wanted to run me over and she would push past me and almost knock me over

    I've sacked her out and everything rubbed her with the whip and other things, I guess the problem is she's not scared enough to make her move forward and go...she's so fearless it was more difficult for me to teach her to lead than it was for me to teach my other baby. If you've heard of the "flap your wings like a chiken" thing where you just flap your arms around and let the horse know that's it's your space, they should move out of it....well in her case she didn't mind my elbows one bit, eventually she got the idea though...

    Thank you sooo much!!! You have really good advice

    Lol have fun with her! Ill keep thinking :)
         
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        01-15-2009, 10:09 PM
      #12
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by starlinestables    
    Ummm try smacking her with the whip? If she comes towards you smack her on the neck to make her go away. It sounds like you've taught her the whip means nothing, she obviously doesn't respect it, you or your space at all.

    Youtube Clinton Anderson Lunging for Respect.
    I've tried waving my arms out in front of her and I reach out and tap her on the neck if she decides not to listen to that gesture....no matter what I do she always tries to run me down and acts like she wants to rear up on me by kind of throwing her head in the air and holding it up as she runs past me like she thinks I won't be able to do anything to her because she thinks I can't reach her....she only does it when I try to longe her though...every once in a while she'll do it in the field if she gets excited and wants to play...when she does that I step to her side and push her away from me because if I didn't do that she'd run me over...if I catch her coming up behind me instead of by surprise, I'd make her stop and back her up.. If you know of anything else I could try please let me know
    Thanks for your help
         
        01-15-2009, 11:57 PM
      #13
    Trained
    Eh... lunging can be part of ground work. *shrug* I just think it's a skill that is learned through the years, as in I think its one of those things where if you really don't have it down pat, it's easy to mess up.

    I've never perfected a lunging program so I don't do it.

    I've had very good luck just working on an 8' leadrope and doing lots of follow the leader type stuff. I'll stand at the horse's shoulder and take a purposeful step into their space (say to the right), the horse should then take a step to the right. I'll back up, the horse should back with me and stop when I do. I do more of a simon says type training ( Of course I use verbal cues while I'm doing all this. Right, Left, Back, Walk, Whoa.

    I also think it's important to let horses figure out some stuff on their own. I would just hold off lunging until she understands commands better.

    You by all means do what you feel is right for your horse and what type of disipline you are following. I'm just a happy hacker and horse lover, I don't compete and don't follow any "traditional" methods.

    Good Luck and most of all HAVE FUN & BE SAFE!!!!
         
        01-16-2009, 12:08 AM
      #14
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    Originally Posted by brittany    
    I've tried waving my arms out in front of her and I reach out and tap her on the neck if she decides not to listen to that gesture....no matter what I do she always tries to run me down and acts like she wants to rear up on me by kind of throwing her head in the air and holding it up as she runs past me like she thinks I won't be able to do anything to her because she thinks I can't reach her....she only does it when I try to longe her though...every once in a while she'll do it in the field if she gets excited and wants to play...when she does that I step to her side and push her away from me because if I didn't do that she'd run me over...if I catch her coming up behind me instead of by surprise, I'd make her stop and back her up.. If you know of anything else I could try please let me know
    Thanks for your help
    I know what I would do but at this point you are in a very dangerous position. Your horse has no respect for you and it requires an experienced trainer to work with her to teach her some respect and then work with you to show you how to lunge safely and correctly.
         
        01-16-2009, 09:37 AM
      #15
    Yearling
    I know I'm going to get fired for this but! If she is coming toward you smack her on the neck if she keeps coming smack her HARD and as many times as it takes for her to move off you and then STOP. Think about steering and then giving her the gas. Shoulders are the wheel and hindquarters are the gas. You wouldn't push the gas pedal without knowing where your going would you? If she rears go strait to smacking HARD on her shoulder, neck or stomach and do it until she comes down and stop for a few seconds to reward her and then continue to ask her to move out. When she takes ONE STEP towards the rail, walk away. Its either do this or get severely hurt by your horse.

    You can spank your horse but where you get into trouble is bad timing and people using it wrong and always going strait to the spank with out giving your horse enough warning. Ask, tell, tell a litter harder, MAKE HER DO IT.

    Horses kick eachother with more power than we could ever with a whip just don't let it get out of hand and have a trainer help you. Its OKAY to use the whip, and don't let people make you feel bad. After the first few days and a couple of hard spanks I don't have to worry about spanking hard anymore because they respect me and then we BOTH have a much more enjoyable experience.
         
        01-16-2009, 01:36 PM
      #16
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    Originally Posted by starlinestables    
    I know I'm going to get fired for this but! If she is coming toward you smack her on the neck if she keeps coming smack her HARD and as many times as it takes for her to move off you and then STOP. Think about steering and then giving her the gas. Shoulders are the wheel and hindquarters are the gas. You wouldn't push the gas pedal without knowing where your going would you? If she rears go strait to smacking HARD on her shoulder, neck or stomach and do it until she comes down and stop for a few seconds to reward her and then continue to ask her to move out. When she takes ONE STEP towards the rail, walk away. Its either do this or get severely hurt by your horse.

    You can spank your horse but where you get into trouble is bad timing and people using it wrong and always going strait to the spank with out giving your horse enough warning. Ask, tell, tell a litter harder, MAKE HER DO IT.

    Horses kick eachother with more power than we could ever with a whip just don't let it get out of hand and have a trainer help you. Its OKAY to use the whip, and don't let people make you feel bad. After the first few days and a couple of hard spanks I don't have to worry about spanking hard anymore because they respect me and then we BOTH have a much more enjoyable experience.

    I agree with you... As long as your arent hitting the horse in the head/face and you stop as soon as the horse gets the idea.
         
        01-16-2009, 02:38 PM
      #17
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Spyder    
    I know what I would do but at this point you are in a very dangerous position. Your horse has no respect for you and it requires an experienced trainer to work with her to teach her some respect and then work with you to show you how to lunge safely and correctly.
    Agree 100%.

    The first time that horse came at you should of been the last time. Get some help.
         
        01-16-2009, 06:47 PM
      #18
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Angel_Leaguer    
    I agree with you... As long as your arent hitting the horse in the head/face and you stop as soon as the horse gets the idea.
    I agree too, but use only as much force as needed. If you over-do it then she'll be deader to the gentler commands and you'll regret it later.
         
        01-17-2009, 01:50 PM
      #19
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by brittany    
    I've tried longeing her with my 15 year old Quarter Horse gelding that I used to have...at first she'd stand by the gate of the roundpen while he ran around her...after a while he started getting closer and closer to her and tried to get her to run with him so she'd get out of his way...she did follow him and went around the roundpen a few times, but the whole time she was looking for her chance to get safely back to the gate without him plowing into her...sometimes she'd come running straight at me with her neck and head stretched in the air like she wanted to run me over and she would push past me and almost knock me over
    Hold the phone...... I didn't see this paragraph.

    She has NO respect for you. Get off the longeing kick and back to the basic manners. She's not yet 2 so she is still a baby. She's beginning realize her size and you HAVE to teach her to respect people!!! If you aren't comfortable teaching her that (or she isn't responding to you), you need to get some professional help for her. This lesson is probably THE most important lesson that she will ever learn! There is absolutely NO SHAME in getting help with laying a good foundation for the rest of your baby's life!!!

    Good Luck and PLEASE be SAFE!
         
        01-17-2009, 02:40 PM
      #20
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dumas'_Grrrl    
    Eh... lunging can be part of ground work. *shrug* I just think it's a skill that is learned through the years, as in I think its one of those things where if you really don't have it down pat, it's easy to mess up.

    I've never perfected a lunging program so I don't do it.

    I've had very good luck just working on an 8' leadrope and doing lots of follow the leader type stuff. I'll stand at the horse's shoulder and take a purposeful step into their space (say to the right), the horse should then take a step to the right. I'll back up, the horse should back with me and stop when I do. I do more of a simon says type training ( Of course I use verbal cues while I'm doing all this. Right, Left, Back, Walk, Whoa.

    I also think it's important to let horses figure out some stuff on their own. I would just hold off lunging until she understands commands better.

    You by all means do what you feel is right for your horse and what type of disipline you are following. I'm just a happy hacker and horse lover, I don't compete and don't follow any "traditional" methods.

    Good Luck and most of all HAVE FUN & BE SAFE!!!!
    Omg! Thank you so much lol!! You made me realize that maybe she ISN'T ready yet, and that maybe longeing doesn't have to be part of the groundwork but a lot of other things like sacking out and just messing with her getting her used to things and leading, staying out of your space, and respecting you and bonding a good relationship....then longeing can come later on down the line...I just hope when the time comes to longe her she'll do better than what she's doing now..I do have a movie about the "simon says" game you were talking about lol I watch it every once in a while so I don't forget how everything's done, but unless I'm actually THERE with the person I don't learn it as good so I might leave things out here and there or maybe forget how to do something because the horse on the movie might not react exactly the same as my horse so sometimes it can be hard, I'm glad there's a horse forum
    Thanks so much for your help and support!
         

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