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post #11 of 24 Old 01-22-2010, 09:03 PM
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Another suggestion which some people have stated that would be a bad idea to them I think is a good one. Make her listen and pay attention to you. I would put a chain on her with a break away halter in case she did get away. When she flips out on you snap the chain enough to get her attention. Make her pay attention to you. She shouldn't care about absolutely anything else while your handling her. Everything is about you. If you need to even tap her on the shin go for it because otherwise she will walk all over you. You can't be safe with a horse like that. Best of luck :)
An equally good suggestion would be to hit her in the face with a broomhandle every time she sees something that scares her. Or you could have someone follow you around with a cattle prod and zap her everytime she stops. If you do this make sure you have the broomhandle ready so that she will continue to respect your space. Remember that causing pain will create a much stronger bond and speed the training up considerably. All the good trainers use methods like this. If the chain quits getting her attention try a chainsaw blade or a double strand of barbwire.

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An equally good suggestion would be to hit her in the face with a broomhandle every time she sees something that scares her. Or you could have someone follow you around with a cattle prod and zap her everytime she stops. If you do this make sure you have the broomhandle ready so that she will continue to respect your space. Remember that causing pain will create a much stronger bond and speed the training up considerably. All the good trainers use methods like this. If the chain quits getting her attention try a chainsaw blade or a double strand of barbwire.
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Well excuse me kevinshorses. I think I found the smarta** of the forum. I know I wouldn't trust any of your horses because they would probably trample me. I am free to my opinion. I would appreciate it if you could keep your mouth shut about them too. I don't say anything bad about anything you suggest even though I would like to. You don't own the forum there sunshine. Everyone has their own opinions. What's wrong with what I suggested. I would like to know.

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In addition to my suggestion..

Once you have her attention, let her see that monster that she got scared of. Let her know its not going to kill her. She will learn. Goodluck :)

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Well excuse me kevinshorses. I think I found the smarta** of the forum. I know I wouldn't trust any of your horses because they would probably trample me. I am free to my opinion. I would appreciate it if you could keep your mouth shut about them too. I don't say anything bad about anything you suggest even though I would like to. You don't own the forum there sunshine. Everyone has their own opinions. What's wrong with what I suggested. I would like to know.

You are free to offer your opinion and I am free to offer my opinion of your opinion. I own as much of this forum as you do. As far as what I would do for the horse, I would teach it to lead with feel rather than drag her along like has been done to her up till now. I would put her in an area without things to scare or distract her and teach her to move forward and backward with float in the line. Then I would get the horse to lead by her feet and her tail and her forelock untill I could put some feel on any part of her body and get her to move.

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You are free to offer your opinion and I am free to offer my opinion of your opinion. I own as much of this forum as you do. As far as what I would do for the horse, I would teach it to lead with feel rather than drag her along like has been done to her up till now. I would put her in an area without things to scare or distract her and teach her to move forward and backward with float in the line. Then I would get the horse to lead by her feet and her tail and her forelock untill I could put some feel on any part of her body and get her to move.
Are you going to drag her around by her tail? How are you going to get her to that place where she feels safe without her flipping out on you? She's scared! She can't get anywhere without flipping out. If you pull on that lead she will find you at the end of it.I wouldn't face her. Keep on acting like nothing is going on. Try to keep on walking and keep her moving. Eventually she will come to realize that your her leader because if you snatch on her she will realize your in charge. I don't know. That's just my personal opinion. This has worked with many horses I have worked with. Maybe just with time she will understand that she's safe.


I understand you have and opinion of my opinion but please be nice about it. Its really not very fair.

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My problem with that advice is that a chain shank across the nose tends to make horses back off *more*, not less. It's what I use if I have a very bold, forward horse, not a balky one. If I have a lazy horse that tends to lug and make me pull him along, I might put a chain under their chin, but the OP described this horse as a bit of a chicken that balks and pulls back.

I can't think of any way a chain shank wouldn't make that worse. Disciplining a fearful horse with pain is a recipe for disaster.

I don't have a problem with using this particular tool, but I have a big problem with using it on the issue the OP described.

So, kevinshorses might have been sarcastic, and I understand that you're now defensive. Let's not let the two of yours argument distract from the discussion. Maybe there's some part of your training philosophy we're all missing.

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Maura, you helped me out. I was saying put it under the chin. I guess I got caught up in KH's reply that I didn't specifically say that. The chain will get a horses attention though. Its a situation where you need to think quick. Its unexpected. Its not something you can just stop for a few moments until you get to a safe place in an enclosed area and lunge the horse. That's all I am saying. I am not trying to hurt the horse, but a halter and regular lead isn't going to help when your horse is dragging you away.

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I just wouldn't let the OP's horse drag me backwards. I would get ahold of him and make him pay attention to me. That's all. Nothing more. THEN we can see what was so scary.

When your on a that takes off you are going to slow it down and make it listen to you first. Not just bring it right to the problem. Once he calms down show him the "thing" isn't going to hurt him.

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I think you ought to start from square one. Treat her as a foal you are imprint training or halter breaking her for the first time. She might not even be scared of some of the stuff. She has learned that pulling back gets her out of what ever she doesn't want to do. Starting over you'll get the chance to really teach respect and feel, the right way.
I teach my horses to lead from different parts of their bodies. It teaches them to feel of you and you get a feel of them. After doing that with my horse I stopped needing a lead rope, or even a halter at that. I move my horses around without anything attaching me to them other then the "feel" my horses have of me and I of them.
My opinion of the post about the chain. If your horse spooks or gets scared of something the instant your pull or jerk on that chain and it hurts them, I feel its going make them associate the pain with what scared them, thus doing the exactly what you didn't want.
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