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    07-18-2012, 09:19 PM
  #11
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If horses pulled back and broke things because of panic and fear, they would run off. Instead, most horses break a halter or lead and then just stand there.

If they are initially tied safely with something they cannot break, they learn very quickly to accept the restraint. We started some 15 young horses this year. None had been tied much or even handled much at all. Not a one set back more than a couple of times and they did not put the effort into it that a halter breaker would put into any episode.

I used to start 50 head a year; most of them came to me not even halter-broke at all, many untouched. I never injured one breaking them to tie and none were halter breakers when they left. Halter pullers come from horses that have been tied badly or with poor equipment, have then broken the equipment and have 'pounced' on the opportunity. They decided they could break loose -- and that is what they continued to do. They kept doing it because they were programmed to do it by their successes.

If you tie a horse at wither height or higher, I do not think you will hurt one unless it already has a handicap of some sort. One should always tie with a way to release the rope or should keep a sharp knife handy. Horses can throw themselves, particularly if they are prone to 'sull'. Obviously one has to release them if they are going to self-destruct. If that happens, they should be tied back up immediately.
     
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    07-19-2012, 01:30 AM
  #12
Trained
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Originally Posted by Cherie    
If horses pulled back and broke things because of panic and fear, they would run off. Instead, most horses break a halter or lead and then just stand there.
Depends on whether they're afraid of the place or just the restraint. Whatever the reason, they still need to be trained to stand tied.

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If you tie a horse at wither height or higher, I do not think you will hurt one unless it already has a handicap of some sort.
I'm not a bodyworker or a vet, only going off what I've been told, by an equine vet/chiro, among others, but apparently neck/spinal injuries aren't that rare, that relate to being tied & panicking. Not to mention the possibility of equipment breaking, flipping horses breaking withers, etc. So I prefer to err on the side of caution & teach them to tie confidently. Also I think it's best to desensitise a horse to stuff more gradually, rather than putting them in a position that causes panic.
     
    07-19-2012, 02:12 AM
  #13
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Cherie    
If horses pulled back and broke things because of panic and fear, they would run off. Instead, most horses break a halter or lead and then just stand there.
What about a horse that does just that? I have no idea what to do with mine, he cross ties just fine and will tie just fine *unless* something spooks him, then he'll step back and the second he feels pressure from the tied line he flips out completely, plunges around until his halter snaps and then runs off. He can't run away, away as the entire property is basically fenced in, so he gallops 'round and 'round and 'round for 15-20mins, then he'll finally slow down, regain himself and come over to me a shaking, sweaty mess. The few times I or someone else has been able to untie him before his halter snapped, we've gotten dragged by him running off.

He's now broken half a dozen leather halters and since he's afraid of EVERYTHING (but only on the ground, takes a literal act of God to get him to spook under saddle), I don't see this getting better by itself.
     
    07-19-2012, 05:01 AM
  #14
Weanling
I tied my hafie one day and a horse fly landed on the top of his butt. He started building up to what he does in the field (running bucking) and I thought oh s&^t he was bound and determined to get that horse fly off him and I had the dickens of a time getting in there to untie him. I haven't tied him since. I had read if a horse breaks a tie that they will do it again so I haven't chanced it. I know I need to get over this anxiety but not sure, horseflies love him.
     
    07-19-2012, 07:24 AM
  #15
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They can talk themselves into being really stupid. I know of no other way to get a horse to be a useful and trained horse other than to 'break' them to tie.

When horses are completely irrational, I think it is time to use other 'restraints' to break the cycle. My favorite way to break this self-destructive cycle is to use 4-way hobbles. Just like tying, I have left horse in 4-way hobble several hours, but it usually takes a lot less time than tying.
     
    07-19-2012, 08:29 AM
  #16
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Cherie    
They can talk themselves into being really stupid. I know of no other way to get a horse to be a useful and trained horse other than to 'break' them to tie.

When horses are completely irrational, I think it is time to use other 'restraints' to break the cycle. My favorite way to break this self-destructive cycle is to use 4-way hobbles. Just like tying, I have left horse in 4-way hobble several hours, but it usually takes a lot less time than tying.
This is something that I want to try, just have to find someone who is knowledgeable about doing it. When we first started riding and stuff I remember my uncle using hobbles but figured that in today's horse world they would be looked down on for using.
     
    07-19-2012, 10:45 AM
  #17
Weanling
Delfina, a Blocker tie down ring costs about 25 bucks, a ROPE halter with lead about another 15 bucks, a 20 foot lunge rope (not the flat line, a rope) another $20. So for well under $100 you can have the entire set that will help train your horse to stand tied. There was a pretty good video on youtube of a woman training a horse using one.. let me see if I can find it.
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    07-19-2012, 06:43 PM
  #18
Weanling
Found it, it's Pam Tanner. Pretty good tutorial on using the blocker to train a horse to stand tied.

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    07-20-2012, 02:08 PM
  #19
Foal
Oh whoops I thought I had included this, but I guess I forgot...
When Houston was younger ( I don't know how old) I'm guessing that he was tied up to something and beat with a broom or rake by a man and when I first got him he was terrified by broom/rakes, but I finally got him over the broom/rake thing. YAY!!!

Sorry I haven't answered anyone in a while (internet died)

To everyone who answered thanks for the tips!!!!
     
    07-20-2012, 03:31 PM
  #20
Yearling
[QUOTE=Nightstorm;1607444]When Houston was younger ( I don't know how old) I'm guessing that he was tied up to something and beat with a broom or rake by a man and when I first got him he was terrified by broom/rakes, but I finally got him over the broom/rake thing. YAY!!!QUOTE]

So if a horse is scared of a Doritos bag, it's been beat with a bag of potato chips. If he's scared of a saddle blanket, he's been whipped with a blanket. Scared of a 4-wheeler.......some man must've crashed an ATV into him. I rode past a culvert the other day and mine spooked and ran sideways. Still tryin to figger out how somebody whipped him with one of those. They weigh like 1500 pounds. He's afraid of water too. I'm starting to think maybe there's just some things they're naturally scared of
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