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        11-27-2009, 07:45 AM
      #1
    Green Broke
    My Second Horse!

    **long** Cookies if you read it all and REPLY! :P

    As of Dec 1st im taking on a 16 year old... pretty much green.. yes green.. horse. He was being trained by a complete.... erm.... unknowledgeable person before hand.. and the owner finally realized how much more harm the "trainer" was doing. You couldnt ride him for more then 20 mins with out him dripping sweat. I gave the owner a lesson while working off what I could read... she walked/trotted/cantered in a rope halter with barely any sweat! His head was finally low and relaxed..still has a lot of nervousness and axiety but it was already much better..

    Before she got on I had to her get permission from the horse and helped her read the little signs of fear.. even the big ones she didn't notice. For the FIRST time in a WHILE he stood for mounting and didnt fuss around or ear pin. Also I made her ride in a rope halter with loose reins... because he's been treated so horribly with the curb bit.

    He's going to be mine anywhere from 4-6 years because the owner is going away to the military. She pays all bills except for if I need to call the vet cause he's hurt by my doings or what not. Or any equitment I want for him.

    He has no manners... he practically ran over me.... shoved me.... hit me with his head! This horse is getting respect/manners 101 my gosh! He didnt want to move but didn't want to stand still... so he was shaking his head.. pawing... grinding his teeth... he had all the freedom in the world to move! Even when I asked him to move he refused.... please share any experience you have had with this???

    He never had any of these issues when I first worked with him 8 months ago!! And it annoys the heck out of it because I need to start all over! But its a good challenge for me and it will be fun I think. And im so glad the owner came back to me for help :) The old trainer was beyond mad though ahaha

    I still have Chance she's going to be my main horse. But Little deffinately needs a good dose of parelli :)

    He's a LBE/RBI.. which is an interesting mix. He loves to go but gets emotional/unconfident when he gets going cause I swear he can't handle his own energy lolol! It will come in time :) but he also LOVES to play and is very dominate towards humans.

    Heres the picture

    Not the best but I have no read camera atm. This is back when I first worked with him before the "trainer" got to him. He was a nice happy horse then.
         
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        11-27-2009, 08:09 AM
      #2
    Showing
    Good luck with him.

    I swear that most of the problems we have to deal with are caused by inexperienced riders or idiot "trainers" - not outlaw horses. The first thing we end up doing is to undo past abuses caused by people who don't understand what they are doing. It frustrates the blazes out of me - people should need to have a license to own a horse.

    How many times have we seen horses with tack put on improperly or bits upside down and owners wondering why their horse is trying to kill them - "gee, maybe I need a stronger bit".

    OK mini rant is over now.
         
        11-27-2009, 10:34 AM
      #3
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    Before she got on I had to her get permission from the horse and helped her read the little signs of fear.
    You actually ask the horse if it is ok for someone to get on it???
    I have a real problem with posts like this and have to learn to keep my mouth shut.
         
        11-27-2009, 10:36 AM
      #4
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    Originally Posted by iridehorses    
    I swear that most of the problems we have to deal with are caused by inexperienced riders or idiot "trainers" - not outlaw horses. .
    I agree 100% but our definitions of "trainers " might be totally different.
         
        11-27-2009, 12:00 PM
      #5
    Banned
    I agree with Riosdad....kind of. If he has respect issues like you've illustrated, then first he needs to learn to do what YOU want him to do and what you want to do with him without fuss or complaint, because you're the dominant one and what you say goes. After that's all good and established, then you can work on the niceties between you. Especially since you said he's dominant towards humans.

    I tell my gelding this all of the time "we can do it my way, or we can not do it my way, but we aren't doing it your way."
         
        11-27-2009, 12:13 PM
      #6
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by RiosDad    
    I agree 100% but our definitions of "trainers " might be totally different.
    Probably not. It's the reason I have the word in quotes - pseudo-trainers. Unfortunately anyone can tack that name on themselves.

    As for asking her horse to do something, I took it to mean that she showed him what was going to happen not that she was asking permission - I hope that is what she meant.

    With a spooky horse, I may show him the pad and saddle (as an example) and let him sniff it before putting it on. It is going on no matter what he wants but I'll let him check it out first. I took it to mean that is what she was doing.
         
        11-27-2009, 12:42 PM
      #7
    Banned
    What this horse needs is some respect and manners(same thing almost?). Simple to say, maybe not so simple to do. I don't like parelli, but if that's what you do, and if he learns those 2 things by doing parelli, then go for it. None of our opinions on parelli will change what you do, it will just start a fight. Good Luck with him! :)
         
        11-27-2009, 03:15 PM
      #8
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by HorsesAreForever    
    He didnt want to move but didn't want to stand still... so he was shaking his head.. pawing... grinding his teeth... he had all the freedom in the world to move! Even when I asked him to move he refused.... please share any experience you have had with this???
    IMHO, this is an ANGRY horse and he's warning you…it's not about having "all the freedom in the world to move"…it's about challenging your right to move him.
         
        11-27-2009, 04:28 PM
      #9
    Green Broke
    I just want to say thanks for the replies!

    Yes I ask ANY horse for permission to get on there back ... to me its the right thing to do! I could just go up to you and climb on your back.. and force you to let me on.. idc if there just horses or not... they have the same type of feelings.

    He's not angry at all he's quite a happy horse suprisingly just having a few trust issues and pushy issues. Well maybe he has been lately he's been treated horribly... so Ill take that into consideration :) I also know that teeth grinding is a displaced behavoir which means stress he started that when the other one was working with him.

    I can't just tell him that Im the boss and that he's going to do it my way or no way because liek above he's having major trust issues. Im trying my best to balence out firmness and gentleness which is hard because he switches. Today I kept him way out of my space and actually formed a top position.. But his current owner isnt re enforcing it so I have to wiat till she's gone to get anything really done with him. And even so he wasnt looking at me as anyone he wanted to trust right now


    And I hate people liek his old trainer -.-! She kept saying how she did all this stuff and trained all these horses..... which to me all I ever saw was someone who just rode lesson horses. And was taking on something more then she should. This poor guy was normal till she came :(!
         
        11-27-2009, 04:55 PM
      #10
    Banned
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    Originally Posted by HorsesAreForever    
    I just want to say thanks for the replies!

    Yes I ask ANY horse for permission to get on there back ... to me its the right thing to do! :(!
    Maybe this is the wrong section to be posting in?? Natural horseman might be more appropriate.
    I have been shoing for 23 years now and horses trainers like you are the ones I dread.
         

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