Originally Posted by Peppy Barrel Racing View Post
So she hasn't been ridden in two years. She at one time was broke but she has always been a fussy mare who was easy to anger.
Sounds like she's had very little handling or good training, so she could do with being started from scratch. What exactly does 'fussy' & 'easy to anger' mean? I'd suspect 'anger' is probably not actually the problem.
then trying to ride her she started to crow hop I urged her forward with the crop on her rear to get her mind off of doing that. Well I wouldn't allow her to put her head down and buck and she started to get upset with me, this is where the rearing up began.
Sounds like she started to get upset when you first got on her. Without more info, don't know what started the crow hopping, but I'd first & foremost rule out any possible physical issues, such as sore back, too tight girth, saddle fit, etc. Then I'd want to make sure she was mentally ready to be ridden & not worried about it - eg. bucking/crop hopping is frequently due to fear of what's on their back, so smacking her on the rear with a crop is only likely to make matters worse. I would instead pay attention to her feelings & get her comfortable with being saddled first, before being mounted, before actually sitting on her for any time, make sure she was comfortable being sat on for short periods before asking her to move off under you, etc.
Well I got her to walk again away from the pasture but she is getting pretty upset tossing her head, pinning her ears
I'd start out working her in an environment she's comfortable in, develop your relationship with her a bit before asking her to go off with you.
So I hopped off and longed her for a bit till she was a bit more tired and showed me submission.
I'm not a fan of that sort of lunging, but if you're going to do that, also keep in mind that lunging is hard on joints and the horse has only been a paddock bum, so I'd want to get her fitter at least before you do any heavy duty lunging.
I got back on and no more bucking or rearing and she started to walk down the trail like I wanted her to
While I would have got to that point in a different manner, great that you got that! That's what you want to reinforce. I would have reinforced it by getting off & ending on a good note then.
Also when I discipline her she doesn't stop her bad behavior she get's angrier and angrier till she about explodes. I don't know if we are having a disconnect in communication or what.
It's obvious you're not communicating. By 'discipline' I gather you mean 'punish'. It sounds like just sitting on her at this point in time is punishment enough, so I'd be working towards changing that association so she learns that it's not bad to be ridden first. At the moment, it sounds like you're doing something she finds unpleasant(whether through fear, discomfort, 'anger'...), so she is reacting to try to communicate this to you & get rid of the discomfort, but you're responding by adding further discomfort/anger which is only making matters worse.
I'd be focussing on reinforcing any & every 'good' behaviour you get & not asking for too much for a while. Think starting at 'kindergarten' level & gradual improvement built on success, rather than trying to force her to instantly be a trail horse(or whatever) without preparation. Think setting her up for life & to enjoy dealing with people. Think about alternatives to confrontational approaches.
I noticed the lunging cooled her down and diffused the situation.
It does sound like she could be an assertive character too, so wearing her out with lunging just reduced the energy she had to try to keep 'communicating' with you
. But one of the(many) reasons I don't agree with lunging for this purpose is that you're not working on the actual problem & she is only going to get fitter with that tactic, so be harder to wear out in future.
[/quote]I think part of the problem is she doesn't want to leave my gelding which I can move him away. Also perhaps we need to reintroduce more respect work and obviously I need to ride her everyday possible consistently.[/quote]
If you've only trained easy, *****cat horses, it can be confusing & frustrating the first time you come across one that won't conform to your ideas - I remember my own horsey teacher to that regard very well still!
First point above, as mentioned, I'd start developing your relationship wherever she's comfortable. Horses are herd animals that don't feel safe away from their 'herd' or familiar environment, and she's obviously not yet feeling safe & comfortable being ridden in any environment yet, so I'd work on getting her happy & trusting of you first before trying to take her out of her comfort zone further.
What does 'reintroduce respect work' mean to you? I think working on a respectful relationship is vital but I suspect your perception of the term is quite different to mine. Of course working her regularly will mean more practice, so she'll get solid on lessons quicker(good and bad - less practice at bad the better), but working her every day isn't necessary.
But there has to be a way to stop this hateful behavior,
I think it sounds like that's exactly what she's trying to figure out & attempting to do with the bucking & rearing. Sounds like you both need to communicate better & learn to respect eachother. As you've got the bigger brain
and you're the one who wants this relationship, I think it's up to you to first show her you are listening & respectful of her, that she can trust you, so you can earn respect from her.