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post #51 of 58 Old 10-07-2013, 09:21 PM
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In all breeds of horses I have been associated with, they have reserved the term '1/2 brother or sister' for foals out of the same mare. Horses sired by the same sire are always referred to as just that -- 'Horses sired by the same sire. '

If you have two foals that are sired by the same sire (or by full brothers) and out of full sisters, they are referred to as "full brothers in blood".

If a person wants to be taken seriously and as being 'knowledgeable', then that person must know how to use the terminology correctly as set up by the industry. The industry uses these terms in this way. This is how horses are listed in catalogs. This is how auctioneers refer to horses. Horses being referred to as 'half brothers' and as 'sired by the same sire' are not ever used interchangeably by knowledgeable horsemen -- like it or not!!!

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You have some great advice here but I just wanted to add that I had an OTTB growing up that I always had to lunge I'm the round pen or let run in the arena before riding so he could 'get his jollies out' first- he would bolt and kick and buck a couple times but it was almost more like letting of steam than being afraid or disrespectful- then he'd be done with his moment and we'd saddle up and move on with our day. Needing to lunge a bit first might not be the worst thing in the world for him if it is calming him down and warming him up.
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In all breeds of horses I have been associated with, they have reserved the term '1/2 brother or sister' for foals out of the same mare. Horses sired by the same sire are always referred to as just that -- 'Horses sired by the same sire. '

If you have two foals that are sired by the same sire (or by full brothers) and out of full sisters, they are referred to as "full brothers in blood".

If a person wants to be taken seriously and as being 'knowledgeable', then that person must know how to use the terminology correctly as set up by the industry. The industry uses these terms in this way. This is how horses are listed in catalogs. This is how auctioneers refer to horses. Horses being referred to as 'half brothers' and as 'sired by the same sire' are not ever used interchangeably by knowledgeable horsemen -- like it or not!!!
Maybe if I was in the horse racing industry. My friends have been horsemen and horsewomen for 30 and 40 years and nobody ever called them out for saying half brother or sister for it. If I was speaking to The Kentucky Derby winning breeder, then maybe, but around the barn, with friends, in friendly circles, with my nieighbor.....i'm not going to count them or myself as being not "knowledgeable". But thank you for the history or the wording. And this includes all of my Quarter Horse friends.

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It is not just TB breeders. It is Arabian breeders, QH breeders, ASB breeders, etc. Any serious breeders that breed purebred bloodstock and hold registered cataloged sales are a lot different than people that own and use horses. When you start talking to bloodstock breeders that breed high end, very valuable horses of any breed, and you want to converse intelligently with them, you better know how stock is referred to. If you start calling horses that share a sire 'half brothers', you will either be quickly corrected or will be marginalized and completely disregarded.

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Cherie,

That's why I said with friends, neighbors, friendly circles. I didn't think I was going to come here and be made to feel like an idiot. If I was in high end, expensive training and breeding circles, I wouldn't be here asking for help. That's great. Like I couldn't feel any lower asking for help.
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I'm sure not trying to make anyone feel like an idiot. I am sorry I came across that way. I just know how hard people get jumped on or marginalized for using that terminology around serious breeders of any breed. Just look at like a 'heads up' for future reference. The terminology I explained is what is used at all of the NCHA Sales in Ft. Worth. You can even listen to some of those sales on the Internet. You will hear the pedigree reader use that same terminology and everyone in the audience know exactly what he means. I only explained it as just that, as explanation of how bloodstock breeders refer to related horses of any breed. Anyone listening knows exactly what they mean.

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To me this sounds like your horses past memories are catching up to him... The trainers are taking things too fast, and he has bad/scary memories that he needs to learn to get over

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Update

Ok, GREAT UPDATE.

So I put the saddle on Duke. Gave him a good rubbing, walked him around in the saddle for about 5 minutes. So far so good..... I lunged him for about 20 minutes before his ride. I can see why he bucks and bolts. When I started lunging him, he didn't buck OR bolt, but he was an EXPLOSION of energy. I didn't need any aids to lunge him, he just took off....FAST. So I started some change of directions.. ALOT of them to get him thinking and working and calm him down. We did this for 20 minutes or so until he settled down. I gave his trainer a leg up and he didn't even THINK about bolting or not going forward. He just started going forward. This is HUGE because before he would just freeze up and not move. So, she stayed in the round pen for about 5 minutes, I saddled up Chick and we went on a nice quied WALKING trail ride for reward. Duke LOVES going out and he was being very good so we rode for about an hour and came home and ended on a good note. He didn't show any signs of pain, he was quiet and relaxed ears forward on the trail. So, I guess this is how it has to be for now, warm-up before getting in the saddle. I suppose I will do this for a while and then try to wean it down to less and less warmup. Not really sure.........my first TB, a hot horse is new to me........whatever it is...HAPPY DAY

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